YAY! 40K!

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I now hate myself for making that shtupid rhyme.

Anyways, the Imperium is widely considered to be capable of taking on the Empire- they won't win, but they'll bleed the Empire so badly that it's a Pyrrhic victory so monumentally bloody that the Empire now lacks the capability to hold both their own native territory and the newly conquered, and extremely dispersed and wartorn, territories of the Imperium.

That said, Imperial tech level varies enormously- it's a consequence of the highly decentralized politics and the highly dispersed astrography of the Imperium. Some sectors would be able to hold their own and pull through in victory against Trek navies, while other sectors would simply batter them aside.

Necrons...... don't go there. Seriously. Not because it's bad, but because Necrons are very, very powerful. Necron FTL is a "push-button you're there" type in most depictions, and can even be used tactically on the battlefield; not only that, but Necron ships are worth 3 top-of-the-line Imperial equivalents in combat.

Pair this with the enormous toughness of Necrons, and the 'Crons don't even need the C'Tan to take on the majority of the Trek galaxy. The Borg? Crushed. Utterly.

EDIT: and on the subject of Tau design methodology, some of it, I like. On the tabletop, they've got some cool stuff- but right now they rather fail hard, as the Tau codex is two editions out-of-date, and their basic troops units suck very badly compared to even the Imperial Guard- and IG Infantry Platoons aren't that great on a 1-to-1 basis, the awesome of IG infantry is in the numbers you can field.

The Tau lack both numbers and effectiveness; while the basic rifles of their Fire Warriors are pretty good- that's about all they've got going for them.

First of all i did not name you anywhere so stop thinking of yourself as the center of the universe, my comments were directed at one side not you in particular.

---------Disruptors and phasers leave no vapor remnant- and if they actually did vaporize a person, then any time we see that happen in an enclosed space, the firer's life should also be claimed. An expanding cloud of superheated vapor is very lethal.That said- a phaser's magic nadion particles pretty much make phasers a magic chain reaction gun. Not nearly as much energy is contained as you would have us believe.--------

So what the fuck? I have seen several people, and normal ones not some strange beeing that would respond oddly to a disruptor actually beeing vaporized after beeing shot with a disruptor throughout the series. And here you come with your wannabe science, which means jack shit. If a gun in the trek universe is shown to vaporice a person with a normal strength blast without any odd factors influencing the result then a gun in the trek universe CAN VAPORIZE A MAN IN 1 NORMAL BLAST. Wtf are we supposed to base our knowledge of star trek science on if not the shows themselves!

----------Replicators require replicator stock; Star Wars has Duplicators which have an identical function. Further, Trek sensor's inability to detect cloaked mines has no bearing on Wars sensors attempting the same.---------------

How do you know this? it could well be that this technology would trump star wars sensors aswell, if your going down this road i might aswell say that the ships in the federation can calibrate their shields to stop turbolasers. Saying things like this is just stupid, "Yeah you got your invisibility cloak that cant be detected by any form of sensors but OUR sensors would work" Why the fuck would they?

Furthermore you want to base you your knowledge of SW's medical science on darth vader lying near the fireriver? Heres my explanation, he was a powerful force wielder which made that possibly. If you know anything abouth how much a human body can take you would know that any human beeing would be dead after spending time that close to lava, it would have cooked him alive, yet he is clearly alive. Only possibly explanation: hes powers.

Also the empire and the federation would not be the same, simply because that would be near impossibly. Seeing each side knows exactly how they came to be, an offshot of that same race couldent just suddenly apprear on a different planet far away. What chanse do you think there is that humans ever come across an identical race as ourself out in the universe? If we ever meet an alien you can be sure it wont have our dna and be exactly alike. Sure they may look alike and be pretty the same, but its statistically unsound that they are the exact same.

------------Visual evidence is contradictory; it also gives no mention of how much of the surface would be turned to glass, given that most of the planet's surface in the initial salvo was engulfed in a fairly large firestorm- primarily from foliage ignition, AFAIK/IIRC.------------

i said that the next salvo would turn the planet into glass, not part of it. And foliage igniton do not turn a planet to glass.

Why the crap do i even bother, you are what is called a cantankerous man that wont listen to anything unless they agree with your own twisted personal view, but that is to be expected from someone who think every word in the bible comes from god himself! Halleluja! Actually read through your own arguments and try to see them in an objective light, they are just silly. Your the kind of guy that would be barred from philosophical debates because you dont know the meaning of a well reasoned debate, and yeah i know im casting a stone when sitting in a glasshouse now, what im dooing is not exactly good debate either, but what else is there to do when one are as ignorant as you. I could probably get my point across with a fist, but thats neither possibly, nor legally, nor would i take such an action. Ive had it with this crap. You are incapable of seeing the sun for your own self made clouds, there has been multiple good arguments made here yet you try to twist or ignore anything that dont agree with you. Its pathetic. I wash my hands off you, you dont exist in my world.

Evidence? This I'm genuinely interested in; what evidence is there that the Federation is a post-scarcity utopia- and thus should appear far more akin to, say, the Culture, than the UFP.

I'm the only active pro-Wars debater at the moment. That would naturally indicate that you're responding to me.

No vapor, no vaporization. And you still haven't answered the issue that, if they do indeed vaporize, then why aren't the firers killed when such weapons are used in close-quarters? Rapidly expanding flash-steamed human being is lethal.

I'll also note that nadion particles are canon.

1. Because Imperial sensors work on different principles to Federation models; it's only natural, considering the different design philosophies of the two powers.

2. ST shields can't be calibrated to stop non-frequency based attacks; if turbolasers had a magic frequency, your argument might hold water. As it stands, it's fallacious.

Well, to use a real-life example, Radar and Sonar stealth measures do not work on each other's detection systems. Acoustic buffering is useless against a radar ping, and vice versa.

It's the same principle.

First off, please at least have the courtesy to use a spellchecker on your posts. It makes reading them much easier. Secondly, both Obi-Wan and Anakin were unaffected by environmental conditions prior to Obi-Wan's defeat of Anakin. Being a Force-user would account for his ability to tenaciously cling to life and not succumb to shock and unconsciousness- but it doesn't account for his survival of the extreme heat.

For all we know, the ambient temperatures aren't that high; I submit this is the case, as Padme was able to walk about without any specialized gear- and she was pregnant at the time, thus making her less tolerant to extreme conditions.

I didn't say that they were the same; I said that they had comparably advanced medical science and technology. While they advanced down different routes, paths, and methodologies, the relative "tech level" is roughly similar.

There are humans in SW-verse. There are humans in ST-verse. Neither are appreciably different from baseline humans IRL (excepting weird psychic phenomena and Force-users), and neither are appreciably different from each other (again, excepting psychic phenomena and Force-usage).

It's the logical conclusion to draw that both settings humans are close enough that they are near-identical. Small differences from genetic drift will naturally be present- but that occurs in all populations of humans.

I know what you said; you needn't restate it. What I am saying is that the dialogue doesn't give as much supporting evidence as you initially claim- and that the visuals offer no supporting evidence. I also did not state or intimate that the foliage ignition would turn the planet to glass- the very act of turning a planet into a glass sphere is ludicrous.

If you meant "render the surface a glassy consistency", then I agree- it won't happen from foliage ignition. But it also won't happen in the second salvo if the first was foliage ignition.

Hey, that's what the Bible says. Obviously you've decided that that's incorrect, and I hope that in the future you change your mind- but that's not my job.

As for "cantankerous"- I've been courteous and polite for our entire discussion. Not sure how that applies.

After you.

I'll have you know that ignorance is not the cause of all things- it just so happens that far better intellectuals than myself have pronounced this judgement of the Empire squishing the Federation. You don't like it, you can always take it up with them. Most can be found on StarDestroyer.Net.

I stand by my beliefs; your attempts with "a fist" would be in vain.

How childish.

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Going for a lock.

The final word.

It had Kristen Bell...it's a 10.