Is it Possible? Yes

Is it Recommended? Depends on how the mod is done. You would need to remove the original races because due to the way the game uses memory you might overrun the game.

@Whiskey144, i knew it wasn't that simple a question! Great reply btw.

How about this for a star Wars vs Star trek Mod:

1.Vision-"mah Star Destroyers r blowin' up ur Galaxy-class starships, hurr durr".

2.Balance- with the Sins factions.

3.Mod Merging-Like Requiem, take the Star trek models and upscale them in relation to the stock Sins models.

4."Canonicity".- use the SoA2 federation ships.(for non profit purposes and permission from the SoA2 team of course!)

5. "Fanboyism".- Everyone knows the Federation would win!

To sum up the Mod:

"Slightly non-canon, balanced against the stock ships in the vein of the Requiem Mod"

Regards,

Theo

My science fiction universe can beat up your science fiction universe! I love crossover discussions. They never cease to entertain.

In all seriousness, if you ignore the ram limit, so long as two projects have their resources named intelligently there would probably be very little pain getting them to play nice together in most areas. You would need to do manual copy pasta in certain files that act as master files e.g. the sound effects entity and music and such. Problems would occur if the devs are using very generic names for stuff that the other mod is also using, e.g. if you have an explosion particle just called "explosion" and the other mod has that as well.

Balancing is really, really easy once you understand how things work. As Whiskey said, before you begin balancing you must make a decision if you want a lore balance or a mechanical balance. In my mod I aimed for a more of a mechanical balance, certain races are so absurdly powerful that without the numbers or plotline to support them in sins the other races wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of surviving more than, literally, a few seconds upon the game starting. Sins is quite limited when it comes to ships, so say you wanted to give Federation ships a maneuverability advantage over Empire ships, well you can't really do that because dynamic AI makes things a total mess should you choose to use it and there are no turrets/firing arcs to speak of.

If anyone whines because you decided to make the mod moderately enjoyable for an otherwise underpowered race, well they obviously don't know anything about game design and are better off in an entirely different crowd altogether.

Now, to speak of the ram limit. I have no idea if the patch fixed anything in regards to it, but expect it to be a major headache in something like this. AFAIK, the star trek mod is always riding the limit's ass. Throwing in one or more races from SW with their own textures will likely be the iron slab to shatter the camel's back.

Is it possible? Sure it is. Is it probable given the current builds of the mods? Not without a fair bit of work I imagine.

I've updated but I wasn't monitoring the ram usage of my project so I don't know how much of a difference it made.

"Raw firepower > technobabble." I don't think so. I think the situation would be like the conquistadors vs. the Aztecs. While the Aztecs greatly outnumbered the Conquistadors, the latter had better technology. Yes, the Empire has a vast civilization but it was defeated by a group of ragtag rebels in a couple battles, so I think you're greatly underestimating how the Empire would do against a technologically superior (at least in my opinion) military force.

I'm going to be very gentle with this.

1. The Galactic Empire has FTL systems capable of crossing the galaxy within a couple of days, at most. The USS Voyager would have taken 75 years to cover 70,000 light years, which is around half the diameter of a galaxy.

2. The Acclamater-I class troop transport, carried multiple turbolasers that each fired a shot of 200 gigatons of yield. This has been given in the Star Wars:Episode 2 Incredible Cross Sections (SW2ICS). The most generous values for Trek firepower are given in the ST:TNG technical manual, which says that photon torpedoes contain 1.5 kg of antimatter. It seems logical that there would be an equal amount of matter, which would give a yield of 64.3 megatons.

Keep in mind that the Acclamator, which is a troop transport, outguns any Federation starship by a significant margin.

3. Looks aren't everything, you know. Just because Trek ships have a "sleek, modern" feel/look, does not mean that they are more advanced. Also keep in mind the inherent problem with the Federation's AM reactors, which increase reactivity. This is a bad thing, because any competent engineer would design it with minimal reactivity and multiple failsafes. A Fed AM reactor can only be shut-down through ejection, which must be manually activitated.

4. The defeat of the Empire at the hands of the Rebel Alliance was due to numerous factors, and also keep in mind that the Rebels had access to the same technologies that the Empire has. So the Alliance lacked ships, but they did not lack for firepower or durability on a ship-to-ship basis.

Note that the defeat of the Empire at Endor hinged on several, very key factors. First, Palpatine's arrogance played an extremely large role in the defeat; he ordered for the Imperial fleet to launch fighters and disperse their fire on the rebel fleet. The unsupported Imperial fighters were then massacred, and the various Rebel capitals received minimal damage on an individual basis.

In contrast, Ackbar realized that the Executor was the biggest threat, and so had all his ships focus on it. This facilitated the suicide run on the Executor's bridge by the A-Wing. Keep in mind, the bridge shields had been weakened considerably by the bombardment of Ackbar's fleet. Further, the Executor would have recovered, had it not been trapped in the gravity well that the immense mass of the Death Star 2 created. Thus, the Executor crashed into the DS2.

Further, had Palpatine not been obsessed with converting Luke to the Dark Side, the Rebels wouldn't have been able to take out the shield protecting the DS2, and Rogue Squadron and the Millenium Falcon wouldn't have been able to make their attack run on the exposed reactor of the DS2. Keep in mind, however, that DS2's reactor was only exposed because it wasn't finished.

5. It's not Aztecs (GE) vs Conquistadors (UFP). It's Modern US Army (GE) vs a Roman Legion (UFP), only even more heavily biased for the Empire. The Empire has:

25,000 ISDs, as well as many hundreds of thousands to millions of smaller warships.

An economic capacity capable of facilitating the secret construction of the DS2, to a completion of 60% in six months! Keep in mind that the DS2 is, at minimum, 160 kilometers in diameter.

A heavily militarized industrial complex. In other words, combined with the economic capacity, the Empire could churn out warships faster than the Federation could blow them up! And this would allow for a victory by the Empire, even in the miniscule chance that the Federation actually had any possible chance to win.

6. Also, keep in mind that technological superiority only goes so far. I'm not saying that the Federation is more advanced than the Empire (which it isn't). Because even if the Federation's starships were better on an individual basis than the Empire's, the Empire still has far superior strategic mobility with their hyperdrive, and far superior industrial capacity, allowing them to replace warships faster than the Federation is even capable of destroying them.

7. I'm going to say one last thing: I feel sorry for you, that you think that a civilization that has only been a starfaring power for less than four hundred years, and consists of 150 member worlds, could take on a civilization that has existed in various iterations for more than ten thousand years and has more than a million star systems under it's control.

Whiskey's dead on... It can be done. And I certainly could do it. But I'm not offering and don't really see any point merging two distinct universes together like that let alone the amount of work it would take to reverse engineer what the two mods did and then retrofit it into my process. Sorry if I got your hopes up, was just explaining some of the technical side of merging mods...

Whisky- yes. You are right. Given your analysis, the Federation would lose to the Empire. I simply did not know all of those details. I love both franchises, but I tend to favor Star Trek more because I don't like the "exaggeration factor" of Star Wars. I know Star Trek isn't realistic, but that just makes Star Wars so much less appealing for me because they have "millions of star systems".

But really. You feel sorry for me? Grow up. Your entire post was fine until that childish statement (not including the "I'm going to be gentle with this one" remark). I know this is the internet, but this Sins crowd seems to be more mature than the rest of the forums on here. I thought that was just sad and unnecessary.

Critical mass.  An empire that size would collapse the first time a public official failed to suppress that he caught a cold and was indeed a mere mortal, splintering into thousands of pieces in a conflagration of civil wars that make the entire history of war on Earth look like a joke.  Note the utter lack of growth in the size of nations over the last few thousand years despite vast advancement in the ability to control terrain.  The old Roman empire still has us all licked.

That's hilarious, really.  The US has a dysfunctional government on the verge of collapse because it can't even do something as simple as run a balanced budget.  Terrestrial doesn't even come into the picture, it's sheer numbers.  The bigger an entity gets, the less functional it becomes.  The US, thanks to relative efficiency through decentralization needed to survive at the minuscule level of expansiveness that it has, already had a war of secession over a relatively minor cultural difference.  An intergalactic empire encompassing thousands of different species is pure fiction, the United Federation of Planets included.

Decentralization only increases the likelihood of fracture over differences by decreasing uniformity.  It just means that when everything goes to shit a lot later than it would have, particular states(worlds would be the likely government levels in the case of SW) will band together and form their own organizations.  The attempt by supporters of the republic to prevent such actions will be why it ends in a war, just like the Civil war here.

Centralized powers can never grow to be of any real size, individuals who can preside over large entities are few and far between, it's why the autocrats rarely have more than one or two functional cities while the rest of their domain lives in squalor.

I'm going to simply point out that if you suspend disbelief for superluminal travel, then you can easily suspend disbelief for an interstellar polity that encompasses a million star systems. That was really the gist of my point, not how "realistic" something would be.

I'll also point out that creating parallel, identical chains-of-command (minus the top ruler-guy/-gal) increases efficiency, and, in this case, decentralization=good.

Okay, here's the deal:

1. ISDs are confirmed, through numerous, canon sources, to be capable of melting the upper crust of a planet. To what depth isn't really specified, but it seems logical that it would be a couple of meters at least. And this is for a lone ISD.

2. The episode you refer to is "The Die is Cast", frequently abbreviated "TDiC". The problem is that the visuals do not support the dialogue. There's nothing even remotely resembling the destruction of 30% of the planets crust that's shown on-screen.

Remember, in versus debating, the objective way is to analyze visuals, as if it was a real-life documentary. We see none of the evidence that would indicate massive destruction of the sort that the dialogue would support. Further, the Cardie/Romulan sensors were being spoofed, as they believed that the Founders were on the planet, and they clearly weren't as mere minutes later, the Cardie/Romulan fleet was ambushed and destroyed.

3. Said "9 relatively small bioships", did not, in fact, combine power. There was a single specialised bioship, and the other eight fed it power. Secondly, once again, visuals do not support what the dialogue purports. Because of the objective way to analyse scifi media for vs debating purposes, it is completely acceptable to assume that the characters are, quite possibly, idiots.

Thirdly, Species 8472 is a one-episode wonder. The aren't a factor in an Empire vs Federation war, in the same way that the Dominion or the Borg are not a factor. This is because these powers are either isolated from Feddie territory, are completely isolated from the "dimension" that the Federation exists in (S8472 comes from some technobabble "fluidic space"), they then have no bearing on a hypothetical conflict between the Empire and Federation.

IIRC, roughly 90% of SW canon says that DS2 was 60% complete in six months. Even if it took between 24 and 48 months, that's still far above what Trek in general, and the Federation in particular, can manage. Remember, the biggest stations in Federation territory are only a couple of kilometers in length and diameter, and not anywhere near the moon-sized battlestation status occupied by the Death Stars.

The advanced that would be required in the fields of power generation, weapons technology, shield and armor design, propulsion, and materials engineering/science, would be staggering for the Federation.

EDIT: I checked the SW wiki page, and the source given for that particular statement was "Star Wars Gamer 9", from a series of magazines published that were about SW gaming of all kinds. I'll simply say that these publications are almost certainly not canon.

Further, after checking up on several sources, I found that the 60% completion in six months figure comes from the canon source, the "Shadows of the Empire" project.

LOL Yup ain't it grand?

Well we answered it so let the thread die or shall we continue the never ending battle? lol

True, but then again I've found that this occassionally happens in threads I post in.

I vote we let the thread die.

Well, in the case of SW, ST, and quite a few scifi franchises, they have some kind of quantifiable component. For example, SW has multiple Incredible Cross Sections books, though only SW2ICS actually gave meaningful weapons yield, though the ICS for Revenge of the Sith also gave acceleration in meaningful figures.

The same goes with Trek; there are several "technical manuals" that have RL life figures that describe what goes on.

Further, if you analyse something that's pretty much magitech, you don't have to know how or why it works. Just that it does, and with x, y, and z effects and/or parameters.