I played the demo last night, and I have to say that they pretty much removed everything that made the game what it was.

 

Regenerating units without veterancy.  Crappy experimentals.  No tier differentiation.

 

In the demo you get a chance to build an Atlantis and the battleship for UEF.  The battleship almost lost to * gunships, and the Atlantis now has no AA (having been replaced by some crappy short range plasma turrets) and appears to have crappy torpedos.  And it still doesn't auto repair aircraft on patrol.  The factions all having units with a similar function has been removed (no UEF destroyers ;_;).

 

This is not the Supreme we were looking for.  This is Starcraft 2 with different factions.  It will likely get demolished by SC2.

 

This is the second RTS having being published by Squenix (first was Order of War).  I think they need to stick to RPGs, because their RTS choices seem quite poor.

 

When you make a game for the console market it always end up being very DUMBED down. I won't botehr gettignt he demo now.

Not on the maps in the demo, which are tiny. Assuming SupCom2 follows its predesessor and gets some really huge maps, the strategic mode will be handy for overviewing the entire map.

That couldn't be more wrong. Using Steam was Square Enix's decision.

How do you know?

Maybe dumbing it down for the Xbox 360 was also their idea.

Debug Mode is available (i.e spawn all units in FULL game)
GPG deleted the thread from their forum, but not from SE forums... Sure they are awesome, but they don't seem to handle well censorship

Damn alot of hate right here. i understand why alot of you are probably dissapointed with the demo because you've all played SC1 to the end and played skirmishes on huge maps..But you forget that most of you all probably have amazing PC's that were just barely capable of playing SC1. What about the rest?

Dont get me wrong im not here to defend Sc2 or GPG or LOLnix, im just looking from outside the box. Most people who bought Sc1 back in days probably couldnt even play the game because it would cripple there PC's after a 1 hour ingame, Imagine for 1 second if that was you? Imagine you was playing Sc1, with its massive wars and awesomeness and 1 hour in, your PC gives up and crashes the game? Wouldnt you be quite pissed? I sure would be. Now think about Sc2 its been dumbed down yes! why? So thousands of other players out there who never got past the 2nd campaign because there PC's simply couldnt handle Sc1 and its PC crippling power.

You guys are slating Sc2, but most of you dont realise how fortunate you were to play Sc1 without the game breaking your PC in two. Let the masses have there fun with Sc2.

I'll be buying Sc2, not because i think the voice acting is fantastic or because the campaign is good..cos i generally dont, but if it uses less RAM or graphics power then im happy. One word Alone makes this game worth buying-REPLAYABILITY

(Many Hours of my life will dissapear i know...tis sad)  

I did not say it was a bad game at the core. But the campaign/story does seem to suck and having to dumb down the game to make it work on older systems is not a good excuse. They could have optimised the engine instead. Just look at Sins of a Solar Empire(ironclad/stardock) or AI War: Fleet Command(indie), which have unit counts of at least a similar scale if not even more than Supcom1. Yet have even lower requiered system specs than supcom2 while being relative low budget titles.

Both gpg games i own (supcom1 gold and demigod) had sever technical issues and this does not make gpg look any better.

 

Having played TA and Sup Com, I had been very excited about Sup Com 2. However after playing the demo, they have changed everything that made the other games great.

First things first, they have ruined the way the economy worked. Now replacing building lots of energy and mass production you will just build a bunch of stupid research facilities to increase the speed in which you can "tech". Also changing that you have to have resources before building further makes the game just like any other crappy RTS out there.

Units: Now there are less than 15 units (air, land, and navl) combined to choose from, outside of experimental, once again this has destroyed what made the previous games great with diversity of units. Not too mention the fact that there is no mention of end game artillery or nukes. Removing both of those again destroys the franchise.

Graphics: They look terrible, the maps are clunky at best. The best analogy for water was that it looks like a bunch of units skating around on ice. Everything looked cartoony if I wanted that I would play starcraft.

Gameplay: Eng not being able to help build, takes for ever to make units, and only have 3 air units to choose from just sucks. As far as the storyline goes, I could care less cause I only use it to learn the game initially, because I would rather play online.

I'm totally disapointed. At this point I'm hoping that they will patch or have an expansion that will do what TA:CC did for TA. The only other hope is that the demo is just lacking the end game units I'm looking for.

One last thought from reading these posts, basically if you like Supreme Commander 1 you were capable of micromanaging the resources and techs and you wont like Sup Comm 2. On the contrary if sup com 1 was too "complicated" for you, then you will probably like Sup Comm 2's dumbed down economy, units, and overall gameplay.

 

 

 

I didn't play much of SupCom 1 and didn't really like what little I did.  That being said, SupCom 2 is completely unimpressive in almost all ways.  So while I agree that it's been dumbed down, I think the more salient point is that at least from the demo it's simply a clunky, bad game.  Leave room for those of us that appreciated the complexity of the first game, but didn't enjoy it who can still recognize the sequel as probably a victim of console porting and bad design.

By the way, is bashing Steam the new pastime around here or something?  Is it really so wrong to support Stardock, use and buy from Impulse and still love Valve's Steam?  Haven't seen such blind hatred outside of home team sports and the Intel vs. AMD or Nvidia vs. ATI fanboys.

Frankly, it's a little sad to see these posts that seem far more interested in standing up and proving their loyalty than actually discussing the SupCom 2 demo and their thoughts on it.  'Ooo, ooo!  Approve of me, I won't buy things off Steam either!  Am I cool now?'

Ill buy things of steam. See now Im different and alternative.

I was referring to the fact that Steam's DRM fits into the "rental-only" category. At any moment, Valve can shut down the Steam service or arbitrarily ban my account and I would no longer be able to use my retail copy of Orange Box. I'm not willing to put any more money into a system where I have no ownership rights.

@Splitshadow: I'd like to hear your thoughts on SupCom1, were you to play it now that you've tried the SupCom2 demo.

I only started playing SupCom1 a few months ago, and my slightly-upgraded 5-year-old computer couldn't run it adequately. A friend bought me an old dual-core chip on ebay, and now the game works fine even with 6 players. Still looks impressive, too.

But it's not the graphics we're concerned about here. In fact, I like the new graphics. What most of us don't seem to like is the fact that they gutted an interesting and unique resource system and replaced it with Generic_Starcraftian_Economy_2010.sux

Perhaps if you understood the complaints you'd realise people problem with Steam isn't due to 'fanboy-ism'. Steam requires you to have Steam running to play the game at all times. If you buy a game that has Steam's DRM in place, such as Supreme Commander 2 or Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and all of their exclusive titles, it doesn't matter where you get it from you have to install Steam and you have to run Steam at all times to play the game. If Supreme Commander 2 was sold over Impulse, once you've bought the game you'd still have to install Steam to play it. Steam itself is resource draining program that uses up your internet connection while sitting apparently idle in the background. There are no methods to disable this continuous use of your internet connection and thus far no explination as to what, exactly, its doing. Impulse on the other hand does none of this, and only needs to be used to update your games and programs - once your games are installed, you can uninstall Impulse and they'll still function perfectly.

I believe the general thoughts have already been expressed: SupCom2 tried too hard to be Starcraft 2, to appeal to the masses and sell more copes, and dumbed down its mechanics too much, and as such has alienated the fans of the original who enjoyed the complexity. At the same time, its not Starcraft 2 and so doesn't appeal to the masses that GPG tried to sell the game to anyway, which really makes you wonder why GPG bothered to do it in the first place?