a bit like battle star galactica where the cylons (robots) turn on the human race and own emm down.

and how do u get to that conclusion?

More people want to get out of the war in America than they are about global warming (or at least know about it). And after all, all the epa people tell us that if we dont' cut global warming, we're all going to die!

So since more people are against something than another thing that 'will' kill us all is obviously worse.


POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

kinda hard to say that we will ever have a ai close to a humans. it isn't a easy thing to do. also i dont think the us will be making skynet anytime soon. also if you look into supreme commander lore. there always will be a backup program that cannot be deleted. that will keep things form going overboard.

Nothings ever too late or too early, everything happens precicely when it means to.

As to the second part of it. Is that reaction now uncontrolable, and will it bring an end to our human society?



We've had flying cars for quite a while, they were just not feasable because they would drain efficiency. The plan I believe was discussed and discarded. However, they are thinking about getting airplan cars on the roads soon.

Now, you can plan progress, thats why we have all the organizations and beurocracy.

Just because an AI will be smarter than a human doesn't mean its going to start thinking for itself and what a wonderful place it would be if humans didn't exist and all that did were AI. Its not like we can program emotions into a computer (well, we can but they are't genuine feelings, they need to be set by some trigger and have an automated or several automated responses).

Chill TGE, the only thing that threatens your power is a small group of small teenagers with barely any funding or support! And with your Grand Moff's latest machine, nothing can stop you! Whats the worst that could happen?

As long as it's the human Cylons... sign me up for some of that action.


/homerdrool Tricia Helfer

A computer using all the mass in the solar system as a calculation device making us just numbers in an equation?

what would a computer need in order to take over the world? (or start a cascade that ends in said result)

-needs to be smarter than we are, check
-needs to have programing that thinks outside of assigned parameters, no check
-needs self-preserving motives, no check
-needs self advancing concerns, a.k.a. 'ego', no check
-needs engineering capacity, no check
*note* -it might be impossible for a computer to create anything more advanced than itself using its own programming, known as the issue of paradox created from degrading of information: think, is your brain powerful enough to contain all the information nescessary to create a duplicate, let alone a better one? the answer: no.
-needs appendages
-needs access to materials
*note* -if its acting independantly it will need mobility to access those materials
-needs way to process materials

I assume if it can create even crude materials it would work using those equipment then progress to the point where its working on the micro level. ex: use 2 rocks to make a sharp stone, use sharp stone to whittle a wood tool, use wood tool to dig for metal, use fire to make metal into another tool etc. etc.
... this would take a while...

anyway I dont see the point in putting all of this stuff together. even still there are technical issues that we cannot sort out currently, so computers will not be more powerful than we are (or smarter, emp.  ) for a while.

seeing as that doesnt hurt us I dont see that as "bad"

also note that we would each be way more than "just numbers" we probably would register in the trillion of trillion numbers (dont exactly know what that is)

not true, the reason we dont have flying cars is because we dont have a reliable model. I agree with ron here, you cannot place a timeline on progress (unless you're making obvious statements, like "we wont have hyperspace in the next week or two")

but I can be over 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% about, and in almost all forms of thinking, thats 100%.

sorry ron, let me rephrase:

thinks faster than we do.

happy?

thinking is merely processing of a binary system. thats all it comes down to, computers do that as well. so do black holes, so does your ham sandwich. the ONLY difference is that both brains and computers work in a orderly way, while everything else processes chaotically (beyond our capacity to decypher)

I dont care that you cannot tell whats going on, but the result of the whole process is clear and understandable, so much so that you only exist because of it. hence "orderly"

the result of a black hole thinking is the most chaotic thing possible, almost (or possibly complete) absolute entropy breakdown in the form of hawking radiation. that, my man, is chaos.

no, I'm very serious.

even visual data is binary, rods and cones saying "yes, I see something" "no I dont" and then the stimulation of neurons is as simple as getting enough 1s to pass on another.

auditory data! nothing but thousands of tiny hairs each attatched to a neuron that says whether they are on or off, binary.

same goes for touch, internal organs being ordered to do stuff, taste, smell, types of perception you dont even know about etc.

the very fundation of our universe is binary, whether something is doing blank or not