I don't have much in the way of bonus points, perhaps 10% from custom race (can't remember). No military resource or anything.

I guess it could be unlucky but only 5 hp damage total? I have a 117 mass driver attack vs. his 0 defense against it. Even if he was able to wipe out all my ships in 1 round I still should have cut thru his lousy 2 ships with only 33 hp. Maybe I just don't understand the math behind it but in DL's I would have done a LOT of damage since he had no defense against it. Again, I would take heavy losses myself but I should be able to take him down with me.

Hi!

They should had a sqrt(their missile defenses) defense value. In your case probably sqrt(36) = 6 defenses against your mass drivers. But you have a point: the off-type defense bug is probably still present, as (at least it seems so) none of your 8 ships had enough firepower to destroy those off-type defenses in a single shoot, so each ship faced only slightly decreased 36 defenses.

BR, Iztok

I would also suspect that the off-type defense is not working correctly too.

In my last game, I had medium hulled ships (~10 attack, 15 missile defense) fight alone against fleet of 5 super dominator corvettes (2 mass driver attack). Since there was a lot of those fleets (maybe one hundred fleets) and I didn't had a lot of ships, I saw a lot of those battles. I won all of them, losing 2-3 hp per battle (losing only with almost dead ships).

So, the Drengin had a total of 10 attack per fleet, thus an average of 5 damage per round. I had (15)^0.5 = 3 effective defense against it. So I should have expected a lost of at least 2 hp per round. Since the corvettes had ~9 hp, I would need 2 rounds to kill the first ship. So I should at minimum lose 4 hp per battle (and that is forgetting the damage from the 4 remaining corvettes, and the unlucky defense rolls).

Since this didn't happened, I would venture to guess that the decaying defense is not the off-type reduced value (3), but the base value (15). So for a given round it would start at 15 and be reduced to 10, both giving the same reduced value of 3, totally blocking the damage from the 1-attack rail guns 25% of the time. So I would get ~1.25 damage for the first turn, not more than 4.

I actually saved the game just before this battle because I was tired of being slaughtered so I wanted to test it. I just ran the battle 5 more times and each time, same result. The amount of damage varies a bit but I never get more then 8 total damage on them.

Here are the details of the ships. I apologize, I only had 5 ships to the Drath's 2.

My fleet:
3 medium hull ships (31 hp, 31 hp, 7/31 hp). 21 attack (mass), 0 defense
2 large hull ships (66 hp each). 27 attack (mass), 2 defense (missle)

Drath fleet:
1 small hull ship, 10 hps. 16 attack (missle), 16 defense (missle)
1 medium hull ship, 23/27 hp. 255 attack (missle), 55 defense (missle)

Most battles have 8-11 shots on each side (both same amount).
My shots rarely do 1hp damage, mostly 0.

End of battle always results in all my ships dead, his medium hull ship with 5-8 hp damage and his small hull untouched.

Hope that helps.

Has anyone reported it via the bug tracker? We've already learned that bugs reported on the forums don't get sent to the dev team very fast.

Sure, the first targeted ship are the one with the highest attack/(HP + defense) ratio.

Actually, the number of weapons SHOULDN'T be a big factor unless, indeed, the bug is still present (in which case, the power of the weapons not exceeding the square root value of the off type defense is a big problem)

I was bored at work, and started making a logic tree(ie pre-programming programming) on how to calculate the battles, and I had a couple questions.

1.) Say a ship has laser 10 and another has Shield 5 and Armor 2. If the attack roll is 8 and the shield def roll is 2, does the difference of 6 carry over to the armor, or does it go to decreasing HP's?

2.) Does each individual weapon fire, or does one type of weapon fire at a time? IE if a ship has 6 lasers, does each laser fire individually, or do all 6 fire as one?

3.) When in the battle is the determination of a destroyed ship occur?

One note of opinion, as I was thinking about this, I came to the realization that missle defense stopping lasers doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Mass drivers maybe, but not lasers. Thanks for your help.

I also tend towards thinking that defences don't necessarily need to be effective at all against certain types of weapon. Maybe they ought to only block on-type and one off-type.



3. Ships are determined to be destroyed at the end of the combat round, unless the attacker has the super warrior ability, in which case they are destroyed if they lose all their HP in the attacker's first salvo.

2. Weapons fire individually. Defence rolls against each weapon, meaning that it is possible for damage to bleed-through and strike the hull if defence rolls less than the attack. This becomes more likely towards the end of the round when defence has degraded enough.

1. If the overall defence roll (that is, factoring in the off-type defence) is only 2, then yes the remaining damage for that weapon should go on to damage the hull. If another laser fires, it should then contend with the armour because the shields are out. How fast the armour should deteriorate under off-type fire, I have no idea.

Hi!

Not in the available 1.6 beta. My point-defense defended mediums (PD 28) are destroying drengin's superdominator corvetes as easily as my armored mediums (A 32), taking 1-2 points more damage on average. Since fleets of drengin have ~15 mass attack from 4 ships, my PD defended ships should be dead in first battle, not winning the fourth.

BR, Iztok