Echoing Jeff Graw, most people playing an expansion probably bought the original game first.

I'm not sure it's too much. The whole feel of DA is that ships are much, much slower. Engines are larger and more expensive, granted these numbers are just placeholders and will be adjusted, but...

Variety is the spice of life. I went down from 21 movement points a turn to 3 when I went through Yor space. I thought is was cool, from the standpoint of different super abilities. I agree that is is not any different than having the super hiver, first strike, and superbreeder abilities. It's part of the game. It adds strategic depth. How are we going to deal with the Yor? You can create your custome race and choose the Yor's ability as your own and screw any invasion fleets, maybe. Right now I'm playing a game where that's the Yor's only benefit because I am ahead of them tech wise. They are getting squished.

... speeds. Late in the game though, I think taking a transport from 85 moves to 3 is a quite extreme.

One could argue that any transport capable of traveling 85 parsecs per turn is pretty extreme.

Why are you guys so quick to complain when a race gets a powerful defensive ability, especially when there exists powerful enough offensive abilities to warrent something this powerful. The Arceans get pre-emptive strike which allows them to destroy all enemy ships without them getting to return fire. The Korath get their spore ships which can capture a planet and move on and possible capture a dozen more in the same turn. Those two abilities retain their full power outside of Yor space. Is it a bad thing if the Yor want to protect themselves from such overwhelming power.

Another thing to consider is: Would the slow down even matter if it became 50%? The transports could still move 42 parsecs per turn, which is fast enough to deal some pretty extreme damage. The spore ships could overwhelm all planets that are on the outer two sectors of Yor territory. The Arceans could possibly destroy all of the Yor ships before they could shoot back in that same distance. That 50% slow down might only buy the Yor a couple of extra turns before their demise, instead providing them with a possible means to survive.

The max travel speed of 3 parsecs per turn puts the Yor on equal footing with the spore ships and pre-emptive strike. Both abilities forces you to think twice if you really want to pick a fight with them, so why shouldn't the Yor get something too. Besides, it slow down effect doesn't work outside of their space, so leave the poor Yor alone.

P.S. I don't recall the Yor normally have extremely large areas of influence. So unless you are at war with them, you could probally fly around their territory.

P.S. Yes, I do often play as the Yor.

Solutions are not the issue as I clearly stated - they are easy enough, dont play the YOR in a game, which I now dont - hit em hard at a narrow point of the boarder going for the high value influence planets to zap the AOI, which I did as a last time of playing them. The solutions are not an issue - there are many of them.

If the ability was an intrinsic part of the game I would agree that reduction is going down the dumbing down road, which is never a good idea. I dont believe it can be viewed as an intrinsic part of the game when it slows it incredibly for what will be seen as an obvious game mechanic. But even that is not my main issue with this.

As stated above is purely the effect on new gamers, it will cause a problem, games live or die by the grapevine - and I firmly believe this 'feature' will be vilified by new players to the detriment of the games rep, which would be an immense pity as its arguably the best TBS released for a long time.

Time will tell I guess ...... now back to the Beta   

Regards
Zy

You can always disable the yor; say if you'r playing a metaverse game and not the campaign I suppose.

You can also edit the Yor and give them a different ability if you don't like it. Super Spy might be a good alternative, after all, it shouldn't be too hard to spot enemy spies in a race of machines. He's the one wearing cardboard boxes and painted silver. You could also use influence bases to shrink their territory.

He's the one wearing cardboard boxes and painted silver.

Ever see Number 6 or are you not a Battlestar Galactica fan

I suppose GalCiv 2 should be display in a completely made up language that you have to learn just to be able to play then? Darn "newbs" and not already knowing that language. Ending a turn is too easy in GalCiv, all you have to do is press a button. You should have to play an extremely difficult mini game puzzle just to get the right to end the turn. The real players would already have the answers solved and memorized. Heck, why is the interface even visible, it's not like I don't know where the buttons are already! Darn newbs and not having a pixel-perfect memory of the interface.

Lets just remove all the challenge from the game so that nobody will ever 'lose'. And any ol random button mashing will result in a 'win'. Every time you manage press the turn button it should give you a cookie and tell you your special so you can rock back and forth in your chair and clap and make noises like a sea lion.

Then lets all exagerate what our fellow posters have said so that we can all act like jackasses.

I must admit that the in my second game was the first time the Yor where around.

I had a large tech lead beacuse of trading and 50% resources going in to tech.
So i invaded the minor races took them over Then Thalan. Flew my ships into Yor space. My Fleet within striking distance and my Transports a turn behind but now well with Yor space but a turn away from my juicy target.So i happily attack wipe out defenders End Turn.

Next turn try to move to next target planet and realise i only move 3 What the Heck?
My Transports only move 3 and now a couple turns from invasion. End Turn in confusion. And sure enough thier little ships flew out and picked off all 3 transport fleets. I was so ticked. Thought the 3 movement was a bug restarted the game 2 times same thing. Finally dawned on me it was a super ability causing the slow down.

Side Note: You can fly in top speed anywhere in Yor space before you attack so one tactic I found was bring in War Fleet and Transport at same time, Opening attack. then move them same time same tile so you have protection.

I like the super ability the way it is I think it is a great defensive idea.

Ever see Number 6 or are you not a Battlestar Galactica fan

Of course I am, though I prefer Sharon myself. You've got it backwards, it's not a machine pretending to be organic, it's an organic pretending to be a machine.   

On the plus side, any race can build a military starbase and equip it with a warp disruptor to achieve a similar (but not super) effect. So, although you might have to spend a bit of money, you can slow your opponent down to a crawl if he's planning a counterstrike.