There will be no algorithm, yes it's right. They're using insanely expensive equipment, I would hope they have lock-on equipment too.

Yeah, but I think you guys are missing the idea I threw out. What about giving tiny and small ships a manouverablility bonux that would alow a less manouverable ship to flat out miss a small more nimble ship. It just makes sense, why should every single shot be a hit.

It just makes sense,

Does it make sense that you can fit larger and better fire-control and predictive analysis computers on a bigger ship...?

Does it make sense that you can fit larger and better fire-control and predictive analysis computers on a bigger ship...?

Finally, a proper explanation for why there is a size mod on weapons...

The extra space required for larger hulls is for the wiring... yea... the wiring. Huge spools of it. Its like working inside a ball of yarn when you put 10 doom rays on a huge hull.

I like the game balance for battles just fine. It just means you have to learn to beat the game, and I enjoy that challenge. I have read lots of comments about how the combat system should work. Most of them seem to be "I wish GalCav 2 played like MOO3, or SE4, or whatever". It doesn't. It plays like GalCiv2, and you need to learn how to beat it.

I tried building ships like I built in SE4, and the game chewed them up. Battle success depends on choice of construction, which depends on map placement and situation and intelligence info and economic status and on and on. Just like in real life. It's not just cramming more "Zap Ray 3"s into the biggest hull and sending it out. I think that's where a lot of the dissatisfaction with the combat system comes from. I like it just fine the way it is.

Not so from my experience. I build modestly armed and armored ships, usually carrying all three weapon types as well as being defended against all weapon types. My planets start cranking out these behemoths at a rate of one or two turns per ship. By the time my neighbors know what's happening my invasion forces are sitting down to a nice cup of joe amongst the smoldering debris of what was once my enemies armies, cities, and infrastructure.

Well... doesn't the game do a roll for each weapon type on a ship?
So a ship with 3/3/3 weapons would roll 1-3, 1-3, 1-3 vs a ship with 9/0/0 just roll a 1-9?

If thats the case, then spreading out your weapons is worse because your giving the target 3 times to absorb your attack (because all defenses provide some kind of defense) vs just one time and having a much better chance of overwhelming their defenses anyway even if they roll well.

I could be wrong tho, I'm not sure how the game would figure out what type of shield to use if there are multiple defenses and such.

This is just another example of why we need carrier modules, that would allow big ships with maybe 2 small , or 4 tiny ships, since they would take forever to go from point A to point B on a galaxy larger than medium, since they would be full of weapons and no additional space for engines, this would help fight a more powerful enemy, make it cooler on the battle viwer    , and have a balanced fleet with a porpouse for making small and tiny ships after MID game.

Right now their only porpouse is for planetary defense, at ANY point in the game.


Monc34

What galaxy settings you play at???
Scattered , Loose, Tight??

I play Loose and scattered a lot, it gives me a little more time to detecet enemy fleets, and react accordingly upgrading ships, and buying a last second defense line.

What I meant by that, is that those ships are slow. It would take a lot of small, or tiny ships with engines, to be able to do a blitzkrieg type of atack, since they wouldnt have a lot of weapons onboard. To go far fast you need more than 2 Engines, and that is wasted space on tiny and small ships. For offencive purposes you need medium ships, so the additional space can be used to compensate for the Engines. Of course if you play on tight clustered stars, they will be close so it is more usefull to use the tiny and small ships to atack and then conquer close planets.

However, if you play on loose or scattered like I do, and start playing on Large, Huge or Gigantic, youll notice a diference, and by the time you got enough ships to atack a close neighbor, wich will have more than 6 planets defended with the same amount or close to the amount of ships you are using to atack, prepare to be bitchslaped.   

Of course all this can be fixed with Medium Scale Building, so I recomend to at least start researching this tech when you think of atacking some neighbors, cuz if your plan fails, at least you can save yourself.

Just my humble opinion     



Monc34  

The speed of tiny ships is their only downfall. I don't use them much myself, but have seen advantages. In a battle where I had one huge ship with 6 Doomrays against an AI fleet of 15 tinys, my ship took one shot, killed a ship, then his took 15 shots at my 1. Next turn same thing, my 1 shot, kill a ship, his 14 shots, and so on.

While I had him outclassed in weapons and defense, I could see where this could be affective. A tiny ship will hold 1 doomray, 1 ultimate defense, 2 mkIII hyperwarps, and still have space for an ultimate life support if you need it. A fleet of 15 would allow you to get a shot from each of your 15 doomrays every turn, where as a loaded up huge would still only get 1 shot per turn.

I haven't tried it yet myself, but seems a fleet like this would be more effective against a single capital ship than against a similar fleet of small ships. Also, I don't fully understand fleet stats in battle, so I may be way off base.

While I had him outclassed in weapons and defense, I could see where this could be affective. A tiny ship will hold 1 doomray, 1 ultimate defense, 2 mkIII hyperwarps, and still have space for an ultimate life support if you need it. A fleet of 15 would allow you to get a shot from each of your 15 doomrays every turn, where as a loaded up huge would still only get 1 shot per turn.

It depends on how much damage each of those 15 (14, 13, 12...) shots does, though. Given enough protection and anything less than maximum armament on each of the ships, a Massive hull can easily withstand 12+ small enemies chipping away at it. 15 Doom Rays? Probably not, but I rarely see the AI max out a weapons branch (at least at Intelligent or below, which is all I've played yet). I've seen one of my battlships go up against a mixed fleet of 15 small, med, and large ships and walk away with more than half its hitpoints left. It could only fire once per turn, but it took out one enemy per turn, so after a few turns the AI never had a chance even with favorable rolls.

For whatever reason, the AI seems to favor smaller ships. If they do research Massive hulls, they generally only put crap weapons on them (Mass Drivers II on a Massive hull, for one amusing example).