Search
Forum Home | Login
Apheirox
Apheirox
Join Date 04/2006
+3

Diplomatic advantages/disadvantages in relation to the player

How does it work?

April 17, 2006 11:02:57 AM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
Various things in the game - techs, diplomatic translator trade goods and so on - boost your diplomatic ability, giving you a better deal when trading with others. What I wonder is how this is handled in relation to the player. Unlike the AI, a player doesn't care what your bonus to diplomacy is: Just because the AI has the diplomatic translator trade goods you aren't going to cut it a better deal, correct? So, it would seem the player has an unfair advantage because he is 'immune' to diplomacy boni. Or what? How does the game handle this issue?
Locked Post
Search this post
Advanced Search
Subscription Options
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
ben
Join Date 04/2006
0
Reply #1 April 17, 2006 11:58:49 AM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I imagine that (if anything) if an AI race starts getting higher diplomacy bonuses, it would in effect "cancel out" any bonuses the players might have...

hi dip player vs low dip AI = good prices for the player
lo dip player vs hi dip AI = bad prices for player
hi dip (or low dip) player vs hi dip (or low) AI = normal deals all around.

it would probably only effect any proposed deals you were putting forward.
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
mementh
Join Date 05/2005
0
Reply #2 April 17, 2006 12:19:53 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
i think that the "bonus" the ai has makes it change what it WILL and WONT accept in trades
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Felkethar
Join Date 03/2006
0
Reply #3 April 17, 2006 12:26:48 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
think that the "bonus" the ai has makes it change what it WILL and WONT accept in trades


This is the way that I understood it. I personally don't care if an AI has diplomatic translators but when I go to trade with them I will be able to get fewer techs from them than someone who doesn't have them. The stingy but diplomatic heavy Terrans are a good example. I trade with them as little as possible simply because I don't get nearly as many techs from them because thier diplomacy is higher. Maybe not as high as mine but high enough to make it so I get 2 techs instead of 5.

Felk the SmoothTalker
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Teancum
Join Date 02/2006
0
Reply #4 April 17, 2006 1:51:35 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I will be able to get fewer techs from them than someone who doesn't have them.


Agreed as far as I can tell, its the diffrence in diplomacy skills that determines what kind of price you can get for buying and selling goods. It also determines what trades the AIs are willing to intiate!

Yeah I dont trade with Terrans... Drengin, Alterians, and Talans tend to pay well for my stuff! (Torians too but I dont trade with my my prey)
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Ari
Join Date 04/2006
0
Reply #5 April 17, 2006 4:11:51 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I also assume that a high diplomacy AI also gets better deals on techs/alliances from other AI's, which indirectly aids it against you.
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
AlbionKhyber
Join Date 10/2004
0
Reply #6 April 17, 2006 4:28:07 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
The high-diplomacy AI races kind of screw themselves, though, by not accepting trades. I'm sure we've all seen races like the Terrans turn down trades that would be vastly in their favour just because they have a much higher diplomacy rating than you do... I can't see how it helps them to turn down your offer of Plasma Weapons V for Sensors, for example.
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Felkethar
Join Date 03/2006
0
Reply #7 April 17, 2006 4:31:38 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
Because the Terrans have a rod stuck up their....

Felk the Irritated
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Apheirox
Join Date 04/2006
+3
Reply #8 April 17, 2006 7:48:30 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
The high-diplomacy AI races kind of screw themselves, though, by not accepting trades. I'm sure we've all seen races like the Terrans turn down trades that would be vastly in their favour just because they have a much higher diplomacy rating than you do... I can't see how it helps them to turn down your offer of Plasma Weapons V for Sensors, for example.


My point exactly. Not trading techs is very dangerous and will hurt you a lot in the long run. This is something the developers need to look into.
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Apheirox
Join Date 04/2006
+3
Reply #9 April 21, 2006 5:29:36 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
So, what's the conclusion? Does the player get an advantage over the AI's in that he is not fooled by the enemy's diplomatic translators or is there some kind of mechanism in place to balance this out?
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
Apheirox
Marcathonas
Join Date 01/2006
0
Reply #10 April 21, 2006 5:42:53 PM
from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
It's already been said. You aren't immune to diplomatic translators, since you have no say in what happens. If the diplomacy of the AI is higher than you, you can make a clever crafty bid, and the AI will tell you to stuff it. Diplomacy always involves the AI, so there is no advantage at all.
Reason for Karma (Optional)
Successfully updated karma reason!
View all recent posts
Mark all posts as read Delete cookies created by the forum Return to Top
Stardock Forums v        Server Load Time:   Page Render Time:
About us | Contacts | Privacy Statement | Register
©1995-2025 Stardock Entertainment. Galactic Civilizations is a registered trademark of Stardock Entertainment. Steam and the Steam logo are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Valve Corporation in the U.S. and/or other countries. Bank Gothic is a trademark of MyFonts and may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All rights reserved.