I totally agree with your post, but they said they will do some tweaking to the scores later on. What fun can you have playing beginning multiple times, knowing you are going to win.

Multipliers on score that you see in Civilization games. Based on both difficulty and time taken. Badly needed imo!

Yeah, right now it seems like there's no difficulty modifier whatsoever, so the best way to rack up high score is to just play on Gigantic on easiest difficulty level. I finished two games on Large map and milked them both the exact same way, one was like +2 difficulty levels but score was actually a bit lower.

I suspect that abundant, common, occasional, rare, etc on the options doesnt matter either. So it's better to have a lot more habitable planets. Population seems to be one of the main modifiers right now.

nah the length of the game is not increasing your score.

my last game took 30 years (huge map, 9 intelligent AIs). I conquered every single planet and in the same turn when the last enemy planet was taken scored a technological victory. score was lower than for my 20 years cultural conquest game.

they may have changed that in the time between those games already (as they said they are tweaking the metaverse). so at the moment it seems like the longer you need the less points you score.

I think length of time only matters because the longer it goes, the more farms and population you can grow. As far as I can determine, population is the main factor in yer metaverse score atm.... which is too bad, difficulty should play a much bigger part, and winning faster is actually more "skillful" then the 20 yr Gigantic wins..

BTW, Gigantic, wow, what a headache... why would anyone play on that map?

Seems to me, the Metaverse is pointless.
It only encourages people to work things to get the highest score possible and in so doing remove all the fun from the game.

BTW, Gigantic, wow, what a headache... why would anyone play on that map?

obviously because the game lasts longer, and also because it is a lot harder to play on a gigantic map against high AI levels. At small levels you can just as micromanage as the AI can, but on the larger maps you won't, making it all the more difficult

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I'll agree that the metaverse needs some serious work, but I also think that there are no clear answers.

I agree that the reason that longer games get higher scores is because you wind up researching more tech and have a higher population. It was that way in the GC1 Metaverse.

Think about it this way. Which is harder, a Military victory or a Tech victory? If you gave a one or the other answer, you were probably wrong, because it depends very much on other factors. On my usual map, tough/gigantic/9 opponents/everything abundant, I'll have Invention Matrixes before I'm done with the colonization phase, and that's what, 5% of the way to a tech victory? And the first 5% is the hardest part. On the other hand, on smaller maps, if you're getting a tech victory, it's probably because you reached a point that you decided to keep that last colony of that last race around to toy with it.

The expected score for a Miltary victory is currently quite a bit higher than for the other victory types. Which would be fine, if it reflected an actual hard pressed military victory. My last military victory in a gigantic galaxy containing almost 400 colonies consisted of me taking the last 15 or so colonies in a single turn, the rest were obtained through culture flips. Not my idea of a military conquest

obviously because the game lasts longer, and also because it is a lot harder to play on a gigantic map against high AI levels. At small levels you can just as micromanage as the AI can, but on the larger maps you won't, making it all the more difficult

Obviously! Actually, I've found "Gigantic" to be just as easy against higher level AIs. It does last longer, but that doesnt equate to difficulty level.

And, no, I micromanage just as much on Gigantic as on Tiny. That's probably why it's a headache, but it doesnt make it any harder.

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It alao seems to be using the same as it was in GC1
TotalScore = Sum of all games in a period divided by the square root of the games played in that period
(period time not yet known but in GC1 it was 30 days)

the time period for the 10*multiplier seems to be 10 years

maybe i should reword that .. its not a bonus if you finish the game after 10 years.. but a penalty if you finish it quicker

So the Metaverse side of the scorring seems to be the same as it was in GC1 so far..

so summising on those facts..

games will probaly fall into 30 day blocks.. and decrease by a % for each aged block (eg: current block no drop.. 30-60 days block could say loose x% 60-90 dfay block would loose 2*x%) just like they did in GC1

and yes the type of victory alsop comes into it.. so if you get a military win (no AI's left except you) then you'll score the highest of all the types

Dificulty level does come into it to.. so you are rewarded for playing the harder levels even though it may not look like it in the games that end within the first 10 years (i could be wrong about that time frame but it seems logical according to the scores i've seen)

Hope this helps.. until someone can work it out more precicely..

and If Stardock decides to keep this method.. if not rest assured they will do a full metaverse score recalculation.. as that DO keep all the data that has been submitted

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Please be careful. Some people here wrote that difficulty level had no influence on game score. It is wrong, and seeing such information prevented me at first from being interested in the Metaverse thingy. I hate to be demotivated because of a false information... I am sure you too.

Some information for other readers not to be demotivated regarding Metaverse because of this difficulty thing:
1. The first post of this thread dates from the end of last month ; after the official release of GalCiv2, but before some updates ; I do not know if this has some importance, but this could.
2. At some point difficulty rating of games wasn't displayed properly. This bug could also be connected to point number 1.
3. Difficulty rating does have an impact on the final score. Fact is, galaxy size does have more impact than game difficulty.


As it seems you are dubious about the fact that galaxy size has more impact than game difficulty. Well, I can agree with you. But as it was said there is no direct answer.

What I must say is that score doesn't really depend on galaxy size, it depends on number of habitable planets (which is somewhat linked to it, one could say). Of course this means you have more population, research, etc.

Does that sound odd? Do not take this score regarding to population, research and so on ; please think a little more.

If a player launches a game with 10 habitable planets, he just has to colonize 2 or 3 of them (which is done in less than 10 turns), and then conquer the same number, then he would be sure to achieve victory.

If a player launches a game with 100 habitable planets, he has to colonize 12 to 20 of them, and then conquer two times more planets before being sure to achieve victory.

The time you spend on a game is proportional to the number of habitable planets. It is OBVISOULY normal that a game with 100 planets, which also needs more time, gives you more than 10 times the score required to conquer ten planets! I should give more than 50 times this score, because playing short games is much more easier (I mean, according to time spent, to time avalaible in a week etc) than playing impressively long games.

A Huge Galaxy has 256 sectors and a Large one has 144 sectors. This means 78 % more sectors in a Huge Galaxy. The other player scored 4,33 times your score, which means 433 % of your score, with only 78% more sectors... and an inferior difficulty level. Hmm. Yes, that deserves some inquiry.

Maybe was the displayed difficulty bugged, as it seems to have been for many other games?
Maybe were the calculation rules changed since?

EDIT: And please note that you had a Tech victory ; the other player had a military victory. This does a lot to change the final score according to many players.

Can someone explain in a clear and comprehensive post how score is really calculated?