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Sent PM's through the forums are disappearing without me deleting them

February 1, 2011 11:26:10 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

I've seen this in the last week or so where PM's I've sent in response to ones I have received just disappear without me deleting them.  Is this a known issue/problem with the PM system or do I have a problem on my side?

I am using IE 8 on Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.

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Philly0381
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Reply #1 February 1, 2011 11:28:08 AM
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Moved to forum issues.

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Reply #2 February 1, 2011 2:04:46 PM
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Philly, just out of pure curiosity; How many PM's/replies do you have in total?
There is a limit (which bugs the HELL out of Jafo) to how many PM's we can keep stored.

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Reply #3 February 1, 2011 2:16:23 PM
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Snowman I usually clean out the old stuff once a week when I do updates and scans so probably on more than ten sent and ten received at any time. 
EDIT:  I just cleaned the PM's out, I lied, I had a total of 23 and it allows you 100.
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Reply #4 February 1, 2011 3:31:28 PM
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There's be server-gremlins.... again.

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Reply #5 February 1, 2011 3:51:19 PM
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Sure the trolls haven't gotten in there. It is TTD you know.

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Reply #6 February 1, 2011 3:57:07 PM
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TTD has nothing to do with it....

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Reply #7 February 1, 2011 6:02:14 PM
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Two ways it can 'screw up'.....

Using IE9 strips the content....the PM will be blank [but it sends].

If the recipient deletes it without reading it...your copy goes too.

 

I use the PM system 'a bit' .... so if I were able to keep all of them as a record of past dramas/issues I'd need a limit [so far] of about 2000.

My limit was extended but it's still not enough....

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Reply #8 February 1, 2011 6:45:00 PM
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Quoting Jafo,
reply 7

I use the PM system 'a bit' .... so if I were able to keep all of them as a record of past dramas/issues I'd need a limit [so far] of about 2000.

Thus admins (or level 6 and up (mods)) ought to have limitless PM storage.

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Reply #9 February 1, 2011 6:50:48 PM
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haha... i was just thinking....

 

 

wouldn't it be funny... if I was a Mod..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reply #10 February 1, 2011 6:55:25 PM
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Quoting vStyler,
reply 9
haha... i was just thinking....

 

 

wouldn't it be funny... if I was a Mod..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

And dangerous......

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Reply #11 February 1, 2011 11:42:09 PM
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wouldn't it be funny... if I was a Mod..

nothing'd get past 'picky bastard' Gordon....  

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Reply #12 February 1, 2011 11:52:30 PM
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There's not a lot of 'fun' in being a Mod.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how often the offer to be one is accepted.

Heck....I might even use that horrid phrase 'blind sheep'....

Lambs-to-the-slaughter....

BTW....'abattoir' is used commonly in English speaking countries cos 'slaughter house' just didn't sound as 'nice'.

Snow's right....in an ideal world we'd have limitless PM function/limits but the original theory was the PM system was 'social'.  I/we just hijacked it a bit for admin dooties as well....since email is hit-miss at best.

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Reply #13 February 2, 2011 12:06:32 AM
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dooties

One of us is losing it........

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Reply #14 February 2, 2011 12:19:26 AM
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After a trying day....it was ententional ....
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Reply #15 February 2, 2011 1:27:10 AM
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After a trying day

 

try an evening.. always works fer' me

 

anyway, was joking of course, i wouldn't take a mod job if I was paid for it....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes i would

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Reply #16 February 2, 2011 5:42:46 AM
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I'm glad I'm not that high up in the hierarchy. I like it down here.

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Reply #17 February 2, 2011 9:03:13 AM
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I've seen this in the last week or so where PM's I've sent in response to ones I have received just disappear without me deleting them. Is this a known issue/problem with the PM system or do I have a problem on my side?
I've had the exact same thing occur.

I had perhaps 30 PM's in my Inbox and another 20 in my Sent messages folder so I was nowhere near the limit of 100 PM's.

Also if it makes a difference I was and still am using IE7 on XP Pro SP3.

This was a one time isolated occurrence that happened about 2 to 3 months ago where about 15 of my sent items disappeared without me deleting them. Over the intervening time this hasn't reoccurred. My Inbox was totally unaffected.

The one point I noticed was that all of the deleted PM's had been sent to the same person although not *every* PM that I sent to this person had been deleted.

At the time it seemed to me like the person to whom I had sent these PM's had decided to clean up his Inbox and deleting my PM's from his Inbox also deleted them from my Sent Items folder. The nature of which PM's were deleted and which were not seemed to bear this out as well. The PM's not deleted tended to contain useful information regarding subtle aspects of GC2 whereas those PM's that were deleted were more of a chatty nature.

At the time I did not check back with this person to determine whether or not my assumption was correct or not. Also since this issue has not reoccurred (for me at least) in the last few months I assumed it was a one time occurrence and simply ignored it.

[edit] As far as the issue being related to messages I sent in reply to a previous message that did not seem to be case. While most of the messages that were deleted were in fact replies to previously received messages I also had messages where I was the originator of the message deleted as well as messages that were the result of multiple replies that were not deleted. As I said it seemed like it was dependent on useful content since in one case I had the RE:RE:RE reply deleted but not the RE:RE:RE:RE:RE reply of the same PM chain. [/edit]

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Reply #18 February 2, 2011 9:10:33 AM
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Mumblefratz, yes, I suspect it occurs if the recipient deletes a PM he has not opened/read.  The 'retained copy' is also deleted from the DB.

Knowing my luck...T-Man will pop in at 3am, my time and get me to be a guinea pig and try it out.....

He's fun that way....

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Reply #19 February 2, 2011 9:13:31 AM
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Mumblefratz, yes, I suspect it occurs if the recipient deletes a PM he has not opened/read. The 'retained copy' is also deleted from the DB.
No most of these PM's had in fact been read many weeks earlier and in fact had later replies to them that were not deleted.

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Reply #20 February 2, 2011 2:58:08 PM
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Ah....perhaps a similar but different incident....or rather....same result but different causes.....

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Reply #21 February 2, 2011 4:35:53 PM
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Mumblefratz, yes, I suspect it occurs if the recipient deletes a PM he has not opened/read. The 'retained copy' is also deleted from the DB.
Do you know if this is true?

If an unread PM is deleted by the sender does the recipient still get it or not?

I guess in my case the question is, is there any linkage between PM's sent by one person and received by another?

Could intentional deletion by one cause the undesired deletion for the other?

If so is this desirable PM functionality?

 

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Reply #22 February 2, 2011 6:20:15 PM
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I wonder if there happened to be an issue with FBI systems corresponding with each time period there were PM's disappearing??,,, (Hold on a minute while i straighten my tin foil hat)

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Reply #23 February 2, 2011 6:30:49 PM
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"Do you know if this is true?

If an unread PM is deleted by the sender does the recipient still get it or not?"

 

On one particular occasion the recipient deleted the UNREAD PM and my copy also disappeared.

It was the recipient who did the deleting, not me - the sender.

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Reply #24 February 3, 2011 10:14:02 AM
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Only one copy of the PM is kept in the database. If it is deleted, it is also deleted from the sent folder of the person who sent it (since it is technically the same row in the database).

Bara

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Reply #25 February 3, 2011 12:14:07 PM
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Heck....I might even use that horrid phrase 'blind sheep'....

Lambs-to-the-slaughter....

Yes, for me not only slaughtered, but shorn and roasted with mint sauce on top.

 

After 2½ out of the job, my counsellor thinks I might make a partial recovery...

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