Keep a close eye on Air Play and Air Print

kyogre12

Join Date 07/2008

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rosoft and Sony and especially Nintendo should be afraid too. What happens when you can just tell one of your TV’s to display (and play the sound) of your iPhone 5/6 game or have your monitor display your iPad 3 app on it and just use the iPad or iPhone as a controller.

Personally, if I were one of them, I wouldn't start getting too worried until the iPhone/iPad have games that are more than glorified Flash games. Gaming-wise at least, Apple needs a Master Chief, Mario, Pikachu, Link, Samus, or something to make them a threat, IMO.

Maybe I'm in the minority (and it's quite possible that I am), but I will never use an Apple anything as my primary gaming device until my favorite series are on it. I highly doubt Nintendo will ever cave and put the Legend of Zelda on the iPad.

Maybe Apple can capture the casual market with this, I don't know. But as long as I can still enjoy my kind of games, I don't really care. Maybe the big 3 will each suffer some hits, but I think Apple will have a very hard time getting the (and I hate to use the phrase) "hardcore" gamers to convert.

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The problem with most of Apple's products - besides their bloated prices - is that they're locked to particular services. And I don't mean Apple's services; iPhones are limited to specific carriers, for example. The equivelent would be like needing a specific internet provider for Xbox Live, or a particular Power Company to use Steam.

When and if they drop that, their products become competitive. As for gaming - as the Wii showed, gimmicks sell like hotcakes, but the software almost always suffers. Wii and DS are more famous for their shovelware than their classics.

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assuming moore's law continue, it will be about 50 years until a cellphone can render graphics in the quality of todays movies in HD resolution... and by all estimations moorse's law will end sooner than that, not to mention resolution will probably increase...

now, you could play lower quality graphics, but as long as there is a difference in quality there will be a market for full sized consoles and PCs.

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Philly0381

Join Date 11/2004

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Draginol what is the market and demograhic you are addressing this to?

I'm a non-gamer PC user. I have a Home Theater/Media Center set up current centered around a 37in LCD TV with two computers hooked upped through a KVM switch each with thier own monitor. I have a satellite box (Dish) and a DVD player in my Samsung Home Theater unit. I don't use Apply or thier hand held devices.

Just what does Air Play and Air Print offer me?

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Quoting Philly0381,

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Just what does Air Play and Air Print offer me?

the most restrictive DRM & Vendor lock-in out of any company on the market.

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I'm confused as to what "game" they'll be changing with these services.

There are tons of wireless streaming services. My receiver actually receives a wireless transmission from my computer, for which if I chose, could be controlled by my phone or other means.

The same with Airprint. I already have a networked printer that I can print to wirelessly.

The iPad or the iPhone can not, and never will be, a good controller. A touch screen will never replace the feel or accuracy of a pad. Could you imagine trying to play Street Fighter IV using touch controls. Yeah. Not a chance. Maybe Peggle players will be sold, but the gamers who enjoy games like SFIV or Black Ops will never be able to switch to just a touchscreen input.

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The iPad or the iPhone can not, and never will be, a good controller. A touch screen will never replace the feel or accuracy of a pad. Could you imagine trying to play Street Fighter IV using touch controls. Yeah. Not a chance. Maybe Peggle players will be sold, but the gamers who enjoy games like SFIV or Black Ops will never be able to switch to just a touchscreen input.

The real problem here is not whether it can be a good controller or not, it's an iPhone or iPod. What do you normally do with these devices? You listen to music, watch movies, play games or make calls, all on the move, not in front of your TV normally. If you have a system dependent on the iPhone or iPod or iPad, you will have to leave the device with the TV or get one just for the TV system. otherwise if no one else in the house has one they are screwed.

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The real problem here

I would say this is just one of many very real problems. Each time one of us chimed in with "the real problem" we described a completely show stopping issue. Its hard to determine which is worse because each and every one of those completely demolishes any chance of it being an issue

So, no chance of AirPlay and AirPrint coming into prominence because of all the reasons listed thus far (and probably a few more)

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This has been coming for a while! Most of you know I do PC controlled Home Theaters stereos etc.....so to make this long story as short as possible....

About 4 yrs ago while trying to decide which OS was best to base on a home entertainment center on we play with Windows of course and about 5 different builds of Linux.

Anyway young tech I had working for me at the time was a wiz on linux so helped designed one system we did that that TV,Games,Security Cameras,phone ,alarm system and light was all controlled by 1 Linux PC.

Bringing me to the point how do you controll it all?

Choice (1)...Wireless Keybaord with built in touch pad mouse seems obvious (which we did install)

Choice (2)...It seems the easiest and most reiable and MOST WELL INTEGRATED was a Windows based PDA Phone with Wi-Fi.

Yes I said Windows controlled a Linux baased PC better than any other method.

Alout of us chose a PC because of its flexability both Hardware and Software (thiis could be the ultimate downfall)

Where Mac excells is thier ability to fluently comunicate between devices. They build well on the existing technology they have ,old devices work with new devices etc....

All products are manufactured by the same company that wrote the software. You buy a Mac, not Asus or Leveeno, Dell etc......

You all know I am not a Mac fan but our right hand needs to know what our left hand is doing just as thiers does!

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I would say this is just one of many very real problems. Each time one of us chimed in with "the real problem" we described a completely show stopping issue. Its hard to determine which is worse because each and every one of those completely demolishes any chance of it being an issue So, no chance of AirPlay and AirPrint coming into prominence because of all the reasons listed thus far (and probably a few more)

That's true. But I still think that basing an entertainment system on a device that you take with you everywhere is not a sound idea. Imaging watching a movie fro your iPhone and all of a sudden a call comes in, what then? Some peoples phones never stop ringing or texting and I'm not sure I would want a $500 remote control that can easily be made obsolete. I have a 2nd generation iPod Touch and i can't install any new apps on it because it's outdated and I can't find any updates for it that will allow me to use newer apps. Basically I am stuck with listening to music, watching videos that have to be converted to ipod format since I can't install VLC and using old apps that still work on it. Heck, I have a couple of free apps that i can no longer use because every time I try to use them it ask to update to a newer version but I can't because the newer version won't work on my outdated firmware and I can't update the firmware because my ipod is outdated. So I have no choice but to get a new one if I want the new apps.

We live in a wonderful world today where we pay tons of money for stuff we don't own that becomes obsolete in a year or so and in order to upgrade we have to pay full price because eventually the one we first bought will be almost useless. This is why I don't mind devices that people "jailbreak" giving us some control back.

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Personally I've come to the following conclusions....

For home computing and media entertainment purposes our home is a Mac-shop. Consider the following. Two iMac systems which are essentially "his / hers" home-computing machines, TV tuners/recorders, etc. etc. These iMac's are connected for streaming of recorded content to an Apple TV box (which makes the living room look nice and lean with only the TV and Apple TV box visible). All music, pictures and video available on devices (iPods, iPad, iMacs etc.) is shared between all of same devices so eventhough the content may not be stored in one central location it is available at all times as if it is. The content is regularily and silently backed up to Apple TimeCapsule devices located within the home. The iPad can be used to admin it all remotely and/or to view stored media content when away from home via WiFi or 3G. Apple certainly makes general computational tasks, media-consumption and overall home computing as accessible as possible.

For business computing purposes I am a solid PC shop. Nothing will ever change that. I could go into depth with regard to the many reasons why but we all know them, and some of them have been alluded to in posts above. The configuration flexibility, lower cost and ease of repair are easily the top 3 reasons why my business will always run on PC's.

Of course my gaming-rigs are also PC's ......I mean who in their right mind would game on a Mac? hehe

the Monk

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Quoting CharlesCS,

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But I still think that basing an entertainment system on a device that you take with you everywhere is not a sound idea. Imaging watching a movie fro your iPhone and all of a sudden a call comes in, what then? Some peoples phones never stop ringing or texting and I'm not sure I would want a $500 remote control that can easily be made obsolete. I have a 2nd generation iPod Touch and i can't install any new apps on it because it's outdated and I can't find any updates for it that will allow me to use newer apps. Basically I am stuck with listening to music, watching videos that have to be converted to ipod format since I can't install VLC and using old apps that still work on it. Heck, I have a couple of free apps that i can no longer use because every time I try to use them it ask to update to a newer version but I can't because the newer version won't work on my outdated firmware and I can't update the firmware because my ipod is outdated. So I have no choice but to get a new one if I want the new apps.

We live in a wonderful world today where we pay tons of money for stuff we don't own that becomes obsolete in a year or so and in order to upgrade we have to pay full price because eventually the one we first bought will be almost useless. This is why I don't mind devices that people "jailbreak" giving us some control back.

I totally agree with you, those are total show stopping issues which would turn me off from using that technology.

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