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CaptainPatch
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Why does a race surrender?

Even when it's not attacked, some race will throw in the towel.

May 12, 2008 12:12:36 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums

So, there I am, master of my Immense galaxy.  I mean, I've got colonies and ships _everywhere_.  With the Eyes of the Universe built, I pretty much see the whole map.

I'm at war with the Yor, and have been for about half the game.  I haven't developed Planetary Invasion, so I have to content myself with simply besieging his planets and killing his ships as soon as they launch.  The bulk of his military is tied up doing garrison duty (which I've been continually decimating with my fleets in the neigborhood.  The basic situation is that the Yor are about 99% contained -- and the other 1% is being chased down by my patrols.

Meanwhile, the Iconian Refuge is also at war with the Yor.  But for the last 50 turns, they've been totally unmolested by the Yor because the Yor doesn't have a thing to throw at the Iconians.  And I doubt that the Yor have any Spies in play, because he's _never_ thrown any at me.

So, comes the turn that the Iconians announce that they are surrendering to the Yor, "they've worn us down to the point that we must beg for their mercy", yada, yada, yada.

Why?  If the Yor have NOT been able to send forces against the Iconians, why did the Iconians surrender?

 

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Reply #1 May 12, 2008 2:07:40 PM
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Really the only explanation I could come up with is

A: (you stated you never had any spies targeting you, so this leads me to believe that the iconians may have been the target of all the yor spies .to the extent that the iconians were crippled . the only problem with this is, that spies are applied and nobody knows the the person who sent them .)

B: the iconians simply overextended ,or even worse for them. someone else recently surrendered to them and the influx of new planet upkeep and such crippled them
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Reply #2 May 12, 2008 2:33:13 PM
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Really the only explanation I could come up with is A: (you stated you never had any spies targeting you, so this leads me to believe that the iconians may have been the target of all the yor spies .to the extent that the iconians were crippled . the only problem with this is, that spies are applied and nobody knows the the person who sent them .)
B: the iconians simply overextended ,or even worse for them. someone else recently surrendered to them and the influx of new planet upkeep and such crippled them


A. Im surprised that the Yor have not even _tried_ to send a single spy against me. After all, I'm the one that has shredded their military into near non-existence. Not a one. Not ever. I check **every turn**. (Which begs the question as to why not a single opponent has even tried to plant a spy on the obvious tech leader.)

B. I can see their economy collapsing. I can see that a state of war exists between them and the Yor. But their collapse has nothing to do with the fact that they are at war with the Yor. What we have is a nation declaring bankruptcy. Why surrender that nation's assets to an enemy that has NO forces present and has not been able to launch an attack of any kind for over 50 turns? Why not turn them over to someone they _like_?

The only other nation that has gone under (the Drath Legion) turned their assets (planets) over to the Torians. That almost made sense. But this Iconian situation makes no sense at all.
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Reply #3 May 12, 2008 3:42:10 PM
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Why not turn them over to someone they _like_?


Interesting question CaptainPatch. Similar surrenders happened to me several times playing "Dread Lords", and it sucks...
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Reply #4 May 12, 2008 5:00:20 PM
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Well, my first ToA game (under this current patch ver), had a very strange event that may shed some light on "Surrender Logic".

All is going well, during buildup stage, no war was declared, just the end of the first growing phase. Suddenly, unmolested by anyone or anything, a civ calls me up and says something to the effect of surrendering to ME because they hate themselves (attrocities, whatever, they say they committed on themselves).

Yea, weird. So, the moral to the story is turn off surrender, it's not working right currently.
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Reply #5 May 12, 2008 7:10:40 PM
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Wow. Wierd indeed. However, that event worked _exactly_ as it was programmed to do. That is, _somebody_ programmed that contact dialogue. And whatever the reason, what was said was precisely what that programmer wanted it to say.

I imagine that one of the designers had this flight of fantasy wherein he contemplated what some current German government might have to say about what happened during the Third Reich. Several generations of having the world pounding in the idea that the German people are inherently evil. Yada, yada, yada. End result being, "We surrender our national identity to the Good people of the universe." Something like that.
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Reply #6 May 13, 2008 2:53:17 AM
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In a recent game the Arceans surrendered to me. They had three planets and I particularly wanted one of the planets. The turn before the surrender I had offered peace terms in exchange for the planet - which they rejected. Next turn they hand over their entire empire.

I assume that I had worn down their economy to the point of bankruptcy but it would be good to have an understanding of the algorithm used to make the decision.
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