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AI cheats with treaties :(

The AIs constantly give each other both economic and research treaties for nearly nothing, but whenever I want an economic treaty from them, even with huge diplomacy and a terrifying military, I literally have to offer them nearly a dozen of my planets, 10k+ BC, and a fistful of battleships, and the economic bonus I get is fairly negligible.

I don't mind economic treaties being hard to acquire, as it's a money-for-nothing everyone-wins deal, but why do the AIs always BEG other AIs to form treaties with them? Even when I have an extremely powerful economy, the best in the game, a 1:1 economic treaty deal that would do nothing but benefit my treaty partner is refused flatly for no apparent reason. They are toppling into bankruptcy, but they refuse.

To be honest I think one thing that would help this game a lot would to simply have AIs focus more on themselves and not others. I've been playing as Terrans and I've noticed that the AIs are always FRANTICALLY declaring war, peace, war, peace, and war again over and over, and then come crying to me as I'm usually friendly with everyone at this point. They trade away things to each other without rhyme or reason, and form obscure treaties that shouldn't exist (Torians in treaties with the Korath clan? Uhh huh).

The depth of 'insider trading' of the AI's relations just gets a little too much sometimes.

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The AI tends to form bilateral economic treaties - if you aren't offering your own econ treaty, don't expect to get one in return. This is also a function of your relations with them at the time.

Research treaties, on the other hand, are given away like candy. In the game I'm playing right now (DA 1.80g) I have EVERYONE's research treaty, including all surviving minor races. Tech trading is off, and still the most I paid for one is about 9000 bc. Considering research is the only comodity in the game you can't simply purchase, that is absurdly cheap.

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The AI tends to form bilateral economic treaties - if you aren't offering your own econ treaty, don't expect to get one in return. This is also a function of your relations with them at the time.

Research treaties, on the other hand, are given away like candy. In the game I'm playing right now (DA 1.80g) I have EVERYONE's research treaty, including all surviving minor races. Tech trading is off, and still the most I paid for one is about 9000 bc. Considering research is the only comodity in the game you can't simply purchase, that is absurdly cheap.

As I said, even a 1:1 deal is usually refused without a massive amount of collateral, even when my economy is absolutely dominating theirs.

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Maybe someone else can jump in on this, then. You've exhausted all the factors I've encountered to account for treaty trade value. While I do find races that are simply unwilling to trade their treaty for anything, it's not as common as someone who is willing to take a 1:1 deal or worse. Maybe one or two races a game will be totally unwilling to trade, everyone else has their (much more reasonable) price.

If you have a huge diplomatic bonus, try getting your intended trade partner into several wars, then wait for them to ask for help. Desperate people are often willing to trade. Once you get the treaty, declare peace all around.

What version are you playing?

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Hi!

What version are you playing?

IMO more relevant question is what difficulty level is he playing. I have the same problem with my maso+ games, but have read about players on normal to practicaly buy-off the whole universe.

BR, Iztok

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Tough. Playing Terrans this last game with severely overhuge diplomacy, I tried to get an economic treaty from the struggling Drath, and they wouldn't accept unless I offered them every tech, every credit, and every planet I had. Drath were losing to the Drengin, and badly at the time as well.

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I've found the same thing with economic treaties being hard to come by and very expensive. Some, as Iztok noted, wont give you one for anything. I tried to give the Alterians (as a test only) like half my planets and all my techs and money, it still stayed red. However, much earlier in the game they had one with the Drengin. I think the got it back (which they're not supposed to do) because i had them go to war with the Drengin using my Drath superability. Is this why? anyone?

I havent had a problem with the AI abusing treaty trading. I have almost all AI research treaties. And the few that have economic traties, well it can depend on the point of th game they got it, maybe when their economies weren't worth much, like early game. Maybe they paid a lot for them too.

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And the few that have economic traties, well it can depend on the point of th game they got it, maybe when their economies weren't worth much, like early game. Maybe they paid a lot for them too.

Or maybe that depends on the diplo relations. If they feel good about you, treaty costs less.

Will try to test that.

BR, Iztok

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Or maybe that depends on the diplo relations. If they feel good about you, treaty costs less.

Will try to test that.

BR, Iztok

From my experience that's not the case. It seems to be about the same "price" whether you're allied or they're "wary".

But testing is always a good idea!

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I've found the same thing with economic treaties being hard to come by and very expensive. Some, as Iztok noted, wont give you one for anything. I tried to give the Alterians (as a test only) like half my planets and all my techs and money, it still stayed red. However, much earlier in the game they had one with the Drengin. I think the got it back (which they're not supposed to do) because i had them go to war with the Drengin using my Drath superability. Is this why? anyone?

I've always thought each civ were intended to be limited to one treaty at a time, not one treaty per game. Certainly I've forced AIs to declare war on each other to break up treaties, then bought the treaties from both sides. This works with research treaties, and generally with econ treaties. But sometimes AIs will not give up a treaty no matter what you give them, and it follows no predictable pattern I've found.
I generally play masochistic, even though my metaverse tag hasn't caught up yet

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