Neilo

Join Date 04/2006

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MVL Round 3

"The Metaverse League"

Hi guys welcome to round 3 of the League. We have a few streamlining rules this round so be sure to check them out below. If of course we feel that there are not to our liking then we can change at the end of the round, but i think we are on top of most of the bugs now and things should go more smoothly. I will point out though that there is 1 rule that i will put in place this round that can be thrown out mid round.

"in the instance of a notified and accepted non-submital, not a "no show", in a 4 man team, a back up game will be allowed to be played be a fellow team member. That fellow team member will be randomally assigned by either myself or Firebender. A non submital with no explantion or prior notification will not be granted this privilage."

Ok here is the rule changes for round 3,

Team Bonus

Fastest team game time (average) 2 BP
2nd fastest team game time (average) 1 BP

Highest team score (average) 2 BP
2nd highest team score (average) 1 BP

Individual Bonus

For this round ( the different victory types),

1 BP for fastest and highest game per victory type.

No penalty's.

All ties, in both team and individual and in both speed and score categories, receive equal points.

Where's a score is dropped in any given team, that score, though no longer eligable for the MVL submission points are still eligable for any BP they may have achieved.

Averages are calculated from the totals of submitted games divided by number of members in the team. If a player gives advanced notice of his inability to submit a game then that player will not be counted as a member of the team for purposes of calculating averages.

I will before the end of this round post a new thread that will be the MVL Rule Book. Where these changes and the rest of the rules will be outlined, but do refram from posting in that thread please.

The teams as of round 3 are,

The A-Team (A)
Pndrev
Piznit
Dethadder
Xei Win Toh
Ferrel
Dystopic

The Blade Runners (B)
Neilo
TGE
Ghostwes
MarshallOneill
Vilgan
Noctilucus

Celestial Crusaders (C)
Playjeff45
Mumblefratz
The Butterfly
Firebender
Silverbeacher

The Domination of Death (D)
Brezelius
Mottikhan
Shadow Worrior
Elwood011
Kzinti

And now round 3, and Firebender this should make you happy.

Each team is required to submit a victory in each of the 4 different conditions. Your team captain will assign each player a victory condition to complete.

3 opponents on a Medium map.

Habitable Planets - common
Planets - abundant
Stars - rare
Anomolies - abundant
Asteroids - rare (DA)
Tech Rate - normal
Density - Lose clusters

Random minors
All victory conditions enabled
Allow Surrenders
Tech trading on
Super abilities off
Blind exploration off
Mega Events enabled

For team B, which has 5 players, the captain should assign his 4 team mates 4 different victorys and then play a game attempting a victory condition of his own choosing. Now we never really discussed what happens next but my proposal is that the two games that are the same, the captains choice and one of his players, these games could be combined and averaged to give us 1 game instead of two. Provided they are both victories. This is not in concrete but a suggestion.

The other way we could go is to leave it up to the team in question to decide which game to sumbit.

Either way have fun with round 3 guys and i hope these new rule changes work out well for us.

Good luck,

The Commissioner.

metaverse

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The A team Members please check our forum at The Core for discussion on the current round.

Good luck everyone

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Vilgan, please check the Bladerunners' Core forum, I gave you a better assignment than I think you expected

Neilo, I'm really not sure we have five players anymore - TGE hasn't checked in anywhere in ages, and never made a post or even a PM about Round 2. Unless we hear otherwise from him soon, I would like to consider him 'on sabbatical' - welcome back at any time, but out of consideration for scoring purposes. I have taken the victory type assignment that was originally his so that we will be sure to have all four types covered.

Does anybody disagree with my take on this?

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I guess we'll discuss assignment at the core too. So I'll leave my request for team C team-captain (whoever that is) there.

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TGE checked in on one of the other threads after someone chased him down on IRC. He had a game done for last round, just forgot to post it as his submission on the thread.

I saw the changes in assignments... should be interesting

Vilgan

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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Does anybody disagree with my take on this?

Yes, I disagree. TGE did check in although which of our many threads it was I'm not sure. He even had a game posted to the MVL that a few folks commented (including Neilo) they would be willing to allow. Since TGE's non-submittal made no real difference to the final outcome there was no reason to do so.

Actually I re-checked and TGE's post is reply #181 in the MV League Round 2 thread.

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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I will before the end of this round post a new thread that will be the MVL Rule Book. Where these changes and the rest of the rules will be outlined, but do refram from posting in that thread please.

That's fine but discussion will most likely be required. Where should such discussion be held?

"in the instance of a notified and accepted non-submital, not a "no show", in a 4 man team, a back up game will be allowed to be played be a fellow team member. That fellow team member will be randomally assigned by either myself or Firebender. A non submital with no explantion or prior notification will not be granted this privilage."

Fine. As long as we at least attempt to address this problem. I do think that this method will have more of the dreaded "red tape" associated with it than simply not allowing the 5 man team to drop the non-subittal, but hopefully the condition won't even happen. I do think that getting all teams to 5 man so that this could be completely avoided would be nice as well. It's good that we're trying the different victory condition scenario because that's the most awkward thing for the five man team even though we're down to only one such team at the moment.

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Yes, I disagree. TGE did check in although which of our many threads it was I'm not sure. He even had a game posted to the MVL that a few folks commented (including Neilo) they would be willing to allow. Since TGE's non-submittal made no real difference to the final outcome there was no reason to do so.

Actually I re-checked and TGE's post is reply #181 in the MV League Round 2 thread.

I really have missed quite a few things, it seems - thank you!

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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I really have missed quite a few things, it seems - thank you!

It is hard to keep up with all of this stuff.

I do want to bring up one more point but before doing so I want to mention that it looks like we do have everything specified in the OP of this thread.

However, there is a substanstial difference in this month from previous month's in that this is the first time that we're trying separate victory conditions. I'm glad we're doing this because I think this is the final configuration that we need to try before we can safely conclude that we've ironed out all the kinks.

The point of this round versus all previous rounds is that barring some superhuman effort there are only really four legitimate competitors for top score this month and these are the four people that happen to get assigned the military conquest game. In a similar manner I suspect that one of the other victory conditions has an advantage in the game speed category.

I had made this suggestion a number of weeks ago about how we could potentially deal with this situation. I suggest that for this type of challenge only we change the bonus scoring to give a single point to only the highest scoring game (and ties) and the fastest game (and ties) but we give this *for each catagory*.

So there is a bonus for fastest and highest scoring tech win, fastest and highest alliance win, etc. That way everyone has a even chance of getting the bonus for their game type.

I do want to preface this suggestion that I don't think we have to do something like this. Unlike the non-submittal issue, if we leave bonus scoring the same in this case it's still fair to all *teams*. It may not be fair to all members of each team but no one team has any particular advantage over another.

So this is just a suggestion and as long as people understand the consequences I'm fine with either course of action (or inaction). What do people think?

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I concur. I was thinking about this a bit ago, and it seems like only the military ones have a chance of "highest" score. Would definitely make it more interesting to do it by category (imo).

Vilgan

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Agree with Mumble's suggestion about single highest scoring/fastest game in each category of victory.

Also, star density really needs to be defined in the first post before anyone begins playing.

EDIT: also, Mega Events yes/no.

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Can't we just let star density be whatever people want? No rules-->free choice!

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It *could* be up to choice, but the first post doesn't clearly state it. Keeping things in the dark like that is never good.

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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Also, star density really needs to be defined in the first post before anyone begins playing.

EDIT: also, Mega Events yes/no.

Yes. Star density and Mega events should be specified or at least they were for both previous rounds.

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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Agree with Mumble's suggestion about single highest scoring/fastest game in each category of victory

I'm pretty sure everyone realizes this but just to make absolutely sure, this suggestion is only for the different victory condition type challenge. The single victory condition challenge would still use the first three.

I'm glad to see this getting some support because I do think it will help the interest level.

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Whoooooo round 3!!

Good luck to everyone

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Neilo

Join Date 04/2006

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My apologies. Star density is loose clusters and Meag events are on. Sorry guys...so very tired.

Edited in OP too.

After some sleep i will chat about your comments Mumble.

The Commish.

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I disagree with bonus points going to top scores in each category. That would be too many bonus points to be handing out, Halloween isnt till next month.

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I disagree with bonus points going to top scores in each category. That would be too many bonus points to be handing out, Halloween isnt till next month.

Its 8 overall instead of 6 overall. Doesn't seem that crazy...

On a different note. Has it been announced whether or not ties are broken by MV submission date or actually submitting it to the MVL for this round?

Vilgan

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My apologies. Star density is loose clusters and Meag events are on. Sorry guys...so very tired.

Hrmm, pretty sure I had it on loose as its the only one I hadn't seen yet and I was curious what it would look like. Is there any way to see the stats to be 100% sure?

Vilgan

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Mumblefratz

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On a different note. Has it been announced whether or not ties are broken by MV submission date or actually submitting it to the MVL for this round?

It has been announced in the OP that ties will not be broken. From the OP.

All ties, in both team and individual and in both speed and score categories, receive equal points.

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I'd like clarificiation from the Commish on the five member setup since The A Team just aquired a fifth. Personally I like the average, two games into one thing as it would allow everyone to have their submission count in some way. I'd hate to see anyone put forth the effort to post their game only to have it dropped, that can be discouraging.

Let me know if this is ok, and I'll sort the games accordingly, Thanks

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Star density is loose clusters

bye, bye precursor mine. Sigh!

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I'd like clarificiation from the Commish on the five member setup since The A Team just aquired a fifth. Personally I like the average, two games into one thing as it would allow everyone to have their submission count in some way. I'd hate to see anyone put forth the effort to post their game only to have it dropped, that can be discouraging.

Let me know if this is ok, and I'll sort the games accordingly, Thanks

I also agree on this, Everyones score should count for something.

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