Yea, this penis envy contest would be funny, if real people wouldn't be harmed because this suckers to death cults wouldn't be out of a mental sanatorium where they belong in the first place.

I think most of it is actually security concerns... but telling the world we have a bomb that's bigger a couple days after they say they have a big bomb is pretty funny. It doesn't serve any real purpose I shoudl think beyond one upping the russians...


No doubt they'll say they have a 500 ton bomb soon that is cool except it's so big you can't really move it.

Does anyone else find it odd that just as we're easing off from Iraq, Iran is all of a sudden becoming a really big "problem"? I mean, cleaning up the act of such nations is all well and good, but I find myself strongly suspicious of the timing.

with nuclear weapons while making it very clear on a regular basis they'll wipe the jews off the face of the earth...


Yep... they're pussy cats... Goose stepping pussy cats that can and will make use of anyone foolish enough to walk in Neville Chamberlain's footsteps... Remember Nazi germany didn't rise in a day... it took years of people saying "nahhh" before it exploded on europe.


Iran will never threaten the US like the Nazis threatened europe... but they could easily overwhelm the middle east if not brought to heel.



Iran doesn't need to do anything to protect itself. All it has to do is stop supporting Hamas, stop promising to kill neighbors, stop threatening the world's only super power, and stop breaking every UN resolution they don't like.


That's all iran has to do to protect itself... stop acting like A-holes.


As to Iran becoming a bigger deal... that's not any conspiracy on our part... we don't need any more problems. Our military is stretched pretty thin as it is... Unless we massively expand our enlisted forces... by "some" means.

Iran is making more trouble for us is what has changed... they see us as weaker and thus want to take advantage of it. In a few years we won't be so vulnerable and we can answer their silly little games with large toothy grins.

Its not the bomb that we should be worried about it is the fact that they are planning an attack on Iran.

In Sovjet Russia, Penis enhances you!

Ok, that was quite immature...

Ah yeah. Cleaning up, what a nice name for something so cruel:

Over a million Iraqis have been murdered since the invasion.

With the horror your government is inflicting on other humans, I really wonder how you people can sleep at night.

Its not the first time nor the last time that countries (US, Russia, Terrorist States) will be at war!
There is not and probably never will be any two governments that will see things on the same level.
Im not so much attacking you here Vandenburg but just the pointing out that Bin Laden and his extreme followers that are "Scattered" all over the Middle Eastern States didnt come over here to "clean up" when they destroyed the Twin Towers.

There are plenty of reasons for the US to go to war after that fact.
Oil, revenge! Remove Saddam (Bush conspiracy) Pick your reason and go with it.
Personally I have my own beliefs about why we went to war.

Vandenburg - Im sure you are a good person just dont judge a group of people based on your beliefs otherwise how is that behavior any different than those extremist that began this war in the first place.

Im not attacking you just something to thing about.

Later
Aaron

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Who cares if they're civilians, militants, terrorists, freedom fighters, soldiers, etc?

They are humans. Right now they are dead humans.



Who cares who has killed whom? They're dead now. And the largest single reason why they're dead now is because a government filled with incompetent megalomaniac people thought it would be a good thing to start a war and the majority of the inhabitants reelected those same people, or in other works, most of them supported this appalling thing we humans call war.



Are you really arguing, that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a threat to the USA? (I hope you aren't arguing that way.)

As a side note. I don't twist your words. I'm translating them as good as possible to my native language. And in the translation they sound like you've called the whole mess that is Iraq right now, a "cleaning up". Am I right in this translation? If not I would like to now what you've meant. I could easily have misunderstood you.



Oh, I have a very vivid imagination.

Do you have a daughter or a son? When not, do you have siblings? If yes, imagine one of them killed. It doesn't really matter who s/he was killed. It's just that s/he is dead know.

Now think of the feeling you get now, when you're imaging this. Feel it five minutes long. Now do it again, and again. 10 times, hundred times, a million times. That would take almost two years to do.

That's what the US government did. (Not personally, but their actions led to that.) And honestly, if it was my government I would protest against it until I was arrested (wouldn't be the first time for me) or they would stop it.

But I don't see anything like this happening in the USA, does it?



Oh it's pretty different. Judging people on ones belief is called prejudice. While it's harmful in it's one way, it can easily be overcome. War on the other hand, is a terminal act. It consists of killing people, not one, not dozens. It means killing ten thousands, through action or through inaction, but by a conscious decision of people who now what happens in wars.

Oh, and we're talking about Iraq right now. I don't remember any Iraqis being under those that made the terrorist attacks of the 11. September 2001. I don't see any war that the Iraqis have started against the USA.

Btw. I called the USA's government ruthless warmongers. Not the American people. I'm pretty sure lots of Americans were against the war. I just think the inaction of large segments of the USA's populace speaks very badly on this certain part of the populace.



Oh, don't worry. You can't attack me, since words doesn't hurt.

I've got a pretty thick hide.

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sorry schem, i just had to say it

I'm sorry, but last I checked Saddam wasn't exactly very "nice" to his subjects. A lot of people would have died had we not gone in. A lot of people died because we (finally) went in. Yeah, its nasty. Yeah, its ugly. But the entire third world is ugly. Most third world countries don't have a pot to piss in, economically, and as a result crime is through the roof. Death, famine, horror... that is their life.

I'm not saying our war is justified -- but I'm not saying its not, either. But simply because a million people have died (which is all that horridly inaccurate piece of junk says) is a far cry from saying America killed them, or they died as a result of the war.

You care who killed whom. You've proved that point by blaming the US government.


However you recognize that the US government has not been doing the really nasty killing and so you're going about this route to blame any death on the US no matter who does it.


It's not credible or respectable logic.



He didn't say you couldn't imagine dead people. He said you haven't THOUGHT about what the numbers MEAN.

That means actually understanding what is going on. Something that cannot be attained by thinking of dead people.


False, the manner of death is almost always important... as is who killed them.



You protest civilization in favor of chaos then.


You should live in a society ruled by warlords or simple barbarians... then you might get an appreciation for what you're throwing away here.



The whole basis of your logic is to blame the US for everything. That's not rational. The US didn't make the world and it isn't controlled by Gods. We make mistakes and most of us are good people. But we are also powerful and thus have responsibilities. This terror thing has gotten out of control.

We've very patiently ignored it for about 15 years but enough is enough. We're going to kill this at the source.

That you don't appreciate that need is in my opinion largely born of ignorance as to the significance of these issues. We have little choice but to stop terrorism or submit to it.


Your choice of ignoring it and pretending like everything is ok is both irresponsible and suicidal.

Well... it's even worse then that.


See, we targeted civilians in WW2. But they were people in factories making tanks and bombers...


The civilians being killed by the terrorists are completely removed from the war effort. They're just normal people trying to live. In addition they're only being killed to scare other people and make the government and society unstable.


That's the issue. And that's also why it's important not to define victory as "no one died" but as "the government has grown stronger". Because that's really what we're fighting to do right now. Give the Iraqi government enough time and support to become too strong to be overthrown by terrorists. We're not there yet... but it's not as hard as other people think either.


The terrorists will not stop of course. Look, Israel still gets bombed now and again by terrorists. But their government remains strong... if anything those attacks made it stronger. That's what needs to happen in Iraq. Every attack must make the government stronger.


The same is true of the US government. Every attack against us has brought our society closer together and made us stronger. Where as Spain for example had the opposite reaction... clear proof that terrorism apparently works against the spanish. But it doesn't work against the Israelis, the Americans, or the British.


We need to immunize the Iraqis against it as well. So that every attack causes their society to bind tighter together and strike out harder against terrorists.