If it wasnt for the threat Russian ICBMs Einsenhower would have continued his 20 year program to expand on aviation only.



A source plese, he gave one.



Yes, it didnt work in Darfur, but it worked in thousands of other situation were not a gun shot was fired, while you guys are still entrenched in a war that will most likely be going on for more then a decade.

Sorry to bust your bubble but only two modules on that list was canceled from it original launch date and been delay/not planned. It is the Multipurpose Laboratory Module that hasn't been launched as of yet.

All others has been either launch on USA's shuttle instead of Russia's launch platform or replaced/redesign by Russia. Which part they are holding up their end of Vodka you don't understand?

Two canceled modules are either Japan or USA. That hasn't been redesign/planed as of yet. Apparently you was misinformed and the informational has been gleaned from that website you linked.

Your right we do need a ROFL one. Because you dont know any history besides the most obvious historical events. Seriously, have you ever heard of the Suez Conflict, or Yom Kippur? How about the UN camps in Congo, or Somalia? How about the intervention in the Dominican Civil War?

Oh yea I forgot, Americans dont study history(even their own), they would rather have immigrants know it. That way they can make sure that we can be 'good citizens'

Dare I continue?



I dont know after suffering through two world wars while you sat across the ocean monopolizing on others peoples suffering and conflict would make any country want to stay out of helping you guys.

The UN

Maybe your thinking of Haiti?

Study your hisotyr

I won't get too much in foreign politic both of you. Because this isn't the forum to discuss it.

As for the Russia space program. I don't even deny the delay but what I am saying is they made up for it. Only one module hasn't been sent up and I notice you said "modules" give me a list of them.

All modules, except for the one, have been launched if you read closer. Just remember that despite the low fund level they have tried to held up their promise albeit little late(except for the two year on last module). Don't blame them NASA is also falling behind on their promise (Columbia anyone? Oh and Bush promise to go to Mars /shudder.).

Some people could argue that it was foreseen(Example, engineer on ground requiring good picture of the puncture wound and become aware of possible dangerous reentry).



Really? My dad is an engineer(Contractor to NASA mean He work for them). He saying to go to Mars is an engineer and scientist nightmare. That may not hold true for everybody within Scientific community. The reason why I think Bush's current program will flounder because his father also tried to get support for one earlier.
Wikipedia-Vision For Space Exploration:
Others, such as the Mars Society have argued that it makes more sense to avoid going back to the Moon and instead focus on going to Mars first.

Wikipedia-Space Exploration Initiative:
On July 20, 1989 President George H. W. Bush announced plans for the Space Exploration Initiative (SEI), calling for construction of the Space Station Freedom, sending humans back to the Moon, and ultimately sending astronauts to Mars. He proposed not a 10-year Apollo-style plan, but a long-range continuing commitment based on the three above elements, ending with “a journey into tomorrow – a journey to another planet – a manned mission to Mars.” The President noted it was humanity’s destiny to explore, and America’s destiny to lead. He ended by asking Vice President Quayle to lead the National Space Council in determining what was needed to carry out these missions in terms of money, manpower and technology.

Following this announcement NASA Administrator Richard Truly initiated a study of the options to achieve the President’s goals, headed by Johnson Space Center Director Aaron Cohen.

Need me to point out the year we would have land on moon if this program was successful eh?

Oh yes, those couple hundred thousand will hold up marvelously well...



Same with the country hes leading.



Yes, on a greatly reduced budget, have fun getting there.. in a carton.

have either one of you even payed attention to his policies?
he declared intent, not action. thats your first mistake


the marvels of capitalism reveal themselves.

the reason we have the limited terms is that so one president cant do so much damage. like it or not, we're still the leading nation in the world. stop with the incessant xenophobia, its irritating.

1) its needs

2) how does not having an influx of funds benefit research? and when did I imply inflation? that was nowhere in there.

there is only ONE bush who had a father in office, you twit.

if you payed attention to your quote, thats the LAST thing on his mind. Bush Sr.'s plan for the slow escalation IS STILL BEING FOLLOWED IN CONCEPT.
the only difference is that NASA is being foolishly tangled up in this useless ISS, that black hole of funds is being tied up with incompetant contributions and incessant delays by other countries.

there have been NO steps taken, the bushes have both set a hopeful precedent for the future, but they have made no foolish action to try and accomplish it.
why? because they are smarter than you are.

if you think those two are even remotely alike... well...
you're an idiot.

This thread has turned into the biggest train wreck on the forums; talk about a going off track and derailing...

One) What is needing here?

Two) Influx can be interpret as either plenty or insane amount which was why I see it as inflation.



I dare you to admit you are an anti-twit . I meant whenever you say he/him I am unsure which guy you are referring to. Is that hard to communication to you? Not whose is in white house at the moment.

Only Bush Jr. has done so far has been gave a "goal" to NASA with budget approve for this year who know what happen in next five years.(One of the reason Bush Sr.'s initiative failed is he didn't "follow though to the bitter end".)

Oh yeah? Have you seen this thread?

Yes, well moving on...UKPM Tony Blair announced his resignation this week after 10 years in office. Can you imagine Bush in office after 10 years? It would make the damage Blair has done to Britain's world relations look tame.

There is however the imminent threat of our next PM, who is not known for his delicate attitudes towards foreigners.

'Tis true, Bush may have done irreparable damage to the USA's foreign relations, now I'm not going to lie to you and this may come as a shock [sic], but America was not the most popular country in the world before Bush's reign from atop a mountain of skulls, but opinion was certainly higher than it is now.



Yes, forget brave new worlds lets squabble over budget reports, oil and phantom WMD's for the next thousand years...Arthur C Clarke once said that he was surprised by the lack of space travel between the time he wrote 2001 and now, he honestly thought we could have a stable infrastructure in space by now if we had set our minds to it.

I am interpreting his English best as I could consider he don't check his sentences for errors/horrible concepts. Have you ever own a trillion of trillions cash in hand?(Wasn't referring to exact number and Govt Bureaucracy 101, The more money an agency has the more likely there will be higher risk of corruption. Which is better known as waste of money. NASA don't exactly need a influx(Which I view as one time lump sum of money) to do better.) What would work is increase the NASA's budget of the next 5 years or so by about 75 million dollars to start with. We all know how unlikely that is going to happen right?

Example Of Bureaucracy Economy: Budget Overrun Real Economy

not you, emp.

none of us here are politicians or economists, understanding political action is beyond you or me. I'm reasonably confident that they are not throwing the country down the tubes, seeing as we're still here.

1) taxes have not been raised
2) why does raising little by little help anything? it only means that NASA would remain underfunded longer.
3) Iraq is a great pump-primer for the American economy, not to mention its an even better pump-primer for the Middle east's economy.