Probably because their most vocal pundits are so insufferably smug and misguided. The computers themselves are 'fine'...

I will stop at the misguided, but agree with Jafo on the rest.  It is not the Mac, it is the users.

Linux users dont like PCs and Macs

Really? So what kind of machines do Linux users use? I'm pretty sure it's going to either be a PC or a Mac. I run Linux on PCs myself.

Personally, I think it does have more to do with the smug elitist attitude of Mac users that makes them so disliked. Not all of them are that way, but many are. As a Linux user I see a percentage of Linux users with that same annoying attitude even carrying it so far to to include arguing over why their distro of choice is better and users of other distros are idiots. While I personally prefer Slackware Linux on a PC, that's my choice and doesn't make me any better or worse than someone who uses Windows or OS/X. It's all personal choice anyway.

Silly tribal BS.

This has been a very interesting read, I must say.

I first started with a Mac back in the 80's, made the move to Windows and haven't looked back until recently at my job where all they use are Macs. I still favor my pc but like the aesthetics of OSX. That's all I like about the Mac. If I wanted something as powerful as my home pc from Apple, I'd have to spend more money that it's worth and probably give up my first born child. I think there in lies the major problem. Cost. Why spend huge amounts of money on a G5 and only get a tower cased in aluminum. For that same price I could build a pc with a monitor and money left over. And I can play video games and have more options for software. What if don't want iMovie and all that iStuff?

Let me add this. I'm a graphic design major. I must be one of the few that still would prefer to use a PC. If you know how to use curves and percentages and color correct, then it really doesn't matter what you see on the screen.

I do know many Mac users and most are quite arrogant about their iBooks and other various toys, so I will agree with those that say they have an attitude problem.

I use both and probably will not stray from my PC but Apple is a nice change from time to time. And they're pretty to look at...

I think we should combine the monthly "Mac vs Pc" rant with the monthly "Rating system sucks" rant into a new and improved version of "How I rate the amount of suck contained in my information device, and why it needs to be changed just because I said so" thread.

Probably because their most vocal pundits are so insufferably smug and misguided. The computers themselves are 'fine'...

It is not the Mac, it is the users.

Admittedly Jafo and Doc, from what I've read here, you are both correct.

The thing is it goes both ways. more than both way, it goes all directions. Linux users dont like PCs and Macs, PC users dont like Macs and PCs, Mac users dont like Linux and PCs, etc etc. Now, this is a generalization, but it's what you'll see in the majority of posts on forums and blogs on the internet. Most people seem to refuse to acknowledge that there's different options for different needs.

Yes you are right, they don't want to even acknowledge each other!

So they get very protective and feel that everyone who's not got the same point of view as them is either a threat or something less than and feels that they ought to voice them self out as loud as they can at every opportunity. Or cource, who could argue against them when they shout "Mac/PC/Linux (take your picking) sucks!". What a striking arguments.

Good points Thomassen!

Personally, I think it does have more to do with the smug elitist attitude of Mac users that makes them so disliked. Not all of them are that way, but many are.

From what I've read M I have to agree with you. I mean, one person mentioned how much more money Mac users spend. Wow.

so.., racism has reach technology?

By the sound of it Tycus, it has! Go figure!

This has been a very interesting read, I must say.

Thank you Hookah. I thought it was too.

I still favor my pc but like the aesthetics of OSX

That is true of me too. There were some really convenient and smart features of the Mac I was using at the time. However, I still like the PC better.

And they're pretty to look at...

This much is true.

I think the reason that the Mac advocates get so much press is that they are a small, vocal minority (insecure?), who can point to their "Mac" as a common unifying element for them, while the rest of us don't give a damn about the brand of computer we are using - what talented artist is going to waste time advocating their Dell when they should be painting, et al? After all, this computer is just my tool. I am the artist.

Well said Excalpius!

So, I prefer to let my resume and my work speak for itself. And I expect the same of those I hire/collaborate with.

From what I've read, Mac users expect you to be very elite and from a different society than they are! Collaborating might just be too PC for them!

Personally, what did it for me were the Mac vs PC ads. The amount of disinformation in those ads has even upset loyal Mac users. A company is telling me that first a PC is Windows only and that I can't do neat things on it because it’s not a Mac. Hogwash!!

Apple would have an easier time moving their OS into the same ring as Linux, a multi-platform OS. They could still sell the computers to the Mac users willing to pay a premium and gain a foothold with PC users who don't...if they quit annoying them with Mac is better than PC ads and realize all computers are PC as in Personal Computers.

Yeah, you read it right, Mac is a PC. Unless, you want to go with Home Computer but that would be an argument over semantics. Or, maybe Mac computers are meant to be something over than a Personal Computer at a person's home.

I will try the OSX OS again after my next computer is built, should be sometime late fall / early winter. I am going for the Dual Core Processor (AMD or Intel) combined with the Dual 512mb Video Cards (ATI or nVidia) and copious amounts of RAM. Also, probably slap in enough Raptor drives to go with a Raid 5 instead of a Raid 0. Of course, I know the bulk of computer users don't really know how to work their OS or what is in their computer other than it was $399 or something akin to that.

I still hold to the fact that a computer is personal and an attack on a person's right to use whatever they want is a personal attack and the door swings both ways. Maybe it is something relating towards envy though I don't know how. One has more games, the other is pretty?? Not sure.

Life is too short to worry over who runs what...though another thing that gets me is the whole "M$" thing. As if a company making a profit is evil...I blame socialism for that one. If its too expensive to purchase Windows through the normal route, just have a College Student get you a copy.

On that note, I wonder if my University will get copies of Vista in on Vista's release or would it be months after. Not that I am really worried about that at the moment.

think we should combine the monthly "Mac vs Pc" rant with the monthly "Rating system sucks" rant into a new and improved version of "How I rate the amount of suck contained in my information device, and why it needs to be changed just because I said so" thread.

A superb idea.

- X

I like both
mac for most things, windows for games.
That wont be for long, because there is this thing called cider that translated windows games to mac, including directX

I got introduced to macs in high school and then had to use them several years later at work. And to this day, I am still a user. As far as I'm concerned, I prefer them basically because I'm so used to them. I am not very comfortable with PCs and they honestly intimidate me a bit.

I wouldn't rule out ever buying a pc, but I would prefer to keep buying macs (the macbook sounds pretty good...I'd get one if I could afford it).

I recently scored some refurbished imacs for my classroom (through a grant proposal), and I'm very excited to use them this school year.

Arrogance is always a turn-off, IMHO.

We have both an official "Apple" store, and a "Mac" store here in Seattle.

I can say through experience that walking into the "Apple" store, one is greeted politely and people are quite helpful. The employees are organized as "specialists" in either the software or hardware aspects of Mac products. No feeling of "Arrogance" at this store.

On the other hand, when one walks into the "Mac" store, the employees are outfitted in "Doctors" coats (the long white type) and one expects to see a stethoscope around their necks. Many of these employees seem to have a bit of a "haughty" attitude, as if one just stepped into a "special" place that requires a "rite of passage" to be respected on their level. This could certainly exemplify the source of friction that is being seen as "hating the Mac".

For a PC user, the issues of purchasing a Mac seem to be:

1 - A bit higher price tag
2 - Mac platform software purchases will be required
3 - User hardware upgrades are limited in many of the models

If one adds the attitude being issued by some of the Mac users and employees, one seems to have a significant list of cons, with the Mac zealot's attitude becoming the biggest "con".

As has been said by others, the computer is a tool. As a tool, the Mac can easily be considered a good one. On the other hand, so is the PC, and why would one change to a tool that may come with a history of attitude?

For my part, I like both machines. The main issue for me, is spending an additional $2000+ dollars on professional productivity software when I can purchase the parts to build a screaming PC and use my current PC platform software.

Seriously?!

Yes, indeed!

If I drive about 10 miles to the other side of Lake Washington, I run into the Microsoft campus/business center. A veritable buffet of computer technology. In fact I used to live about 1 mile from the very first Microsoft business building in Bellevue, Washington back in the 1980's.

What do we call them, Doc Macs?

I guess so. I forgot to look for the "Phd." after the names.   

I can say that the "Apple" store, which is by the University of Washington campus, is a great place to go in and tryout a Mac computer. They have everything from the mini-Mac to iMac to the monster G5 tower running the 30" monitors.

Kind of like going to the play ground for an hour.   

To much to read, so I'll toss in my two cents.

Like you said, those commercials don't help at all. They portay PCs as boring hunks of plastic with a screen (and pie charts). Then portay Macs as the "fun" machine. I personally have more "fun" with a PC than a mac. Those round mice were just stupid. The eye bleeding colors of the machines weren't all that great.

I do however very much like the way they operate. With all the special effects and especially how smooth everything looks. PCs are all squared (visually... like windows and such), and when attempted round, looks kinda crappy.

Just merge the companies into Macrosoft to get rid of the hate .

But right now, those commericals just make mac users look like pricks (which isn't true... I've got good friends who live by their macs ), and I never would have used a Mac over a PC anyway (to much software I use thats PC only ).

I used to drive a Dodge. Now I drive a Honda. Do I feel the need to trash Dodges? Nope. It's just a another car to drive to get me where I'm going.

I used to drive a Mac. Now I drive a PC. Do I feel the need to trash Macs? Nope. It's just another OS to "drive" to get me where I'm going.