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Metaverse Scoring Revealed

July 1, 2006 1:08:58 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I think I have the Metaverse Scoring thing figured out.

For your first five games: your score = the total points of all of your games.

For games 6 though 15: your score = the total points of all of your games divided by 2.

For games 16+: your score = the total points of all of your games divided by 3.

Also if a game is over 30 days old, you lose 5% of your score for that game for every 30 days.

So look out for your 6th and 16th games, they are a killer to your Metaverse ranking.
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Reply #1 July 1, 2006 4:41:35 PM
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LOL.... [link="https://forums.galciv2.com/?ForumID=345&AID=122099#947598"]https://forums.galciv2.com/?ForumID=345&AID=122099#947598">Link


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Reply #2 July 1, 2006 4:46:00 PM
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Well part of that info was given as a result of my mission to the Stardockian system, but it seems that neither formula, yours or theirs is correct?

Im not sure, ive just heard that it doesnt necessary work out.

Can you post some number to support your theory, transparency in claims is vital.

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Reply #3 July 1, 2006 6:44:49 PM
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Cari is head designer for the game, thus I'm fairly sure she would know how the metaverse scoring system works out.

Im not sure, ive just heard that it doesnt necessary work out.

Can you post some number to support your theory, transparency in claims is vital.


You're being a hypocrite. A baseless claim that you "heard" does not challenge numbers given by a designer.
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Reply #4 July 1, 2006 6:56:58 PM
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Cari is head designer for the game, thus I'm fairly sure she would know how the metaverse scoring system works out

Cari is lead DEVELOPER. Brad's the designer. Neither of them handles the web code, but assumably either should know.
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Reply #5 July 1, 2006 7:00:10 PM
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Maybe Cari does know what the Metaverse formula is but the formula that was given is not it. Either it is a misprint or the Metaverse developers are using a different formula. As far as I have read in previous posts that Carrie has addressed, she is not directly involved with the metaverse. The first post is very close to what is being used.
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Reply #6 July 1, 2006 7:13:55 PM
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Cari is lead DEVELOPER. Brad's the designer. Neither of them handles the web code, but assumably either should know.


See, you could very easily have done a ninja edit for me. But no, you point it out damn you
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Reply #7 July 1, 2006 7:43:35 PM
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I don't put words in your mouth, only take them out
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Reply #8 July 2, 2006 2:00:01 PM
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I started tracking scores after my 12th game

Taking the 5% aging rule into account (Thanks again Cari, that really helped me get the numbers to work right!), here are my scores and my resulting Metaverse score:


Game: Total points: Metaverse Score: %
12: 86972: 43396: 50
13: 97780: 48890: 50
14: 112516: 56258: 50
15: 120744: 60371: 50
16: 128394: 42797: 33.33
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Reply #9 July 3, 2006 7:30:59 AM
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The formula seems to be right, it works for my 16 games at least. Can anyone else confirm or disprove it? (Don't forget to round down at every step, by the way.)
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Reply #10 July 3, 2006 11:36:09 AM
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The formula given by the person that started this post is the formula that is being used. It is not the formula that Cari gave in her post.
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Reply #11 July 4, 2006 2:42:00 AM
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I think you're dead on. It's probably all powers of 2 do something. I just played game 32 (my best score of 90k), and got knocked way down. (9th to 17th)


Of course it could be the 30 day windows, but i don't think so. Wish stardock would give us the straight dope on this crap.
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Reply #12 July 4, 2006 3:37:01 AM
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Powers of 2 are magical in computers, so you are most likely correct.
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Reply #13 July 4, 2006 7:08:12 PM
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After a certain point the divisor switches to 4 (probably game 32). I just put my scores into Excel and using the Starweb's formula with a divisor of 4 (and the 5% decay) it calculated my Metaverse score to within 1 point. I think it's safe to say Starweb's formula is the correct one.
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Reply #14 July 5, 2006 1:41:06 PM
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I guess the question is what happens at game 64 ? Justkevin can you send me your excel file ? I was going to the same thing but don't have the energy, i wrote a perl script to extract the scores and dates out of a saved version of the metaverse page, but then got tired and quit...

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Reply #15 July 6, 2006 7:54:25 AM
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Powers of 2 are magical in computers, so you are most likely correct.

Perharps. But I found it strange that there is a medal for 5 games and 15 games while experiencing a change in formula for the 6th and the 16th game.
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Reply #16 July 6, 2006 10:15:08 AM
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I have tested the formula with people having 29, 30 and 31 games. The ratio bteween the total of the aged games and the metavers scores is a bit lower than 4.
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Reply #17 July 6, 2006 2:10:27 PM
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My metaverse score changed yesterday(?) and the starweb formula doesn't seem to work for my scores (nor does the official formula).
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Reply #18 July 6, 2006 3:33:21 PM
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Well, I have looked at the score of unfunf (ranked 2 with 3 games).
And I think I have the formula. And it was nearly the formula displayed by CariElf as there was just a typo since the correct formula is : SumOfDepreciatedScores / NumberOfGames^.4

And we have:
6^.4 approx 2
16^.4 approx 3
32^4 = 4

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Reply #19 July 6, 2006 3:41:55 PM
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I just used Peace Phoenix's formula on my own scores, and the score it gave me almost precisely my real score.

Edit: Also tested this on unfunf (who's second in rankings), and GasCan2006 (Who's dead last. For both the formula gave a score that was increadbly close.
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Reply #20 July 6, 2006 3:56:24 PM
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Somehow, I think at one point, the formula given by the OP was correct since it means rounding down the value NumberOfGames^.4
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Reply #21 July 6, 2006 4:00:04 PM
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With the last recalc, it looks like Peace Phoenix formula combined with the 5% deprecation is definitely working. At least it does for my score.

I think previously the NumberOfGames^.4 was being rounded down. The rounding is no longer happening.

Taking a look at games played and the scores for those games, the rankings appear to be pretty clean with this setup as well. I think it’s the best set I’ve seen through the various Metaverse recalc’s anyway...

Thankfully, this should permanently end the cliffing effect.
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Reply #22 July 6, 2006 4:05:17 PM
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Same idea at almost the same time
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