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Manufacturing Capital at the start of the game?

April 23, 2006 9:08:11 AM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
Installed Beta4B this morning and started a new metaverse game using small galaxy, blind exploration and a custom race. Start the game and I get the GNN screen that is at the start of all new games, then my tech tree for choosing what i want to research and then I get a message saying that the Thalan's have just completed a new Galactic achievement of a Manufacturing Capital. The game then drops me on my homeworld to do as I wish. I am guessing that this is a bug since not even a single turn had gone by yet and I don't think you can purchase a Manufacting Capital for 5000bc. Have debug.err (long because I was running with the debug switch) if desired.
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Reply #1 April 23, 2006 9:26:38 AM
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Well, you could have done your homework and actually tested if it was possible before reporting it as a bug.
A Manufacturing Capital costs approxmiatly 3000bc if I remember correctly.
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Reply #2 April 23, 2006 9:34:14 AM
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They do it sometimes, you don't need all the cash to pay for the manu cap. As long as you have positive money, even 1 bc, you can buy it. I've seen it a few times, but I'm never sure why. Perhaps the AI just wants to catapult it's production into top gear.
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Reply #3 April 23, 2006 10:05:51 AM
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Some of the civs start off with the required tech for Manufacturing Capital. Not sure if that's possible to do with a Custom Race, unless you mod it. The other races seem to have from 400-500 points of tech, while a Custom Race has 200.

Consulting the PlanetImprovements.xml, the cost for a Manufacturing Capital is 250.
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Reply #4 April 23, 2006 10:18:49 AM
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That is the cost to build not buy. I'm sure someone has worked out what the conversion is.

And yes I do believe the Thalans start out with Xeno Industry Theory which is all you need for the manufacturing capital. So there isn't anything stopping them from buying it first turn. Personally I'd think that would be a waste of bcs but I can certainly think of situations where it would be useful. I'd be curious as to what their homeworld looked like once they got it built up a bit.
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Reply #5 April 23, 2006 11:39:24 AM
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I've had them do that too, on the first turn. It really doesn't hurt anything, since it only affects a single planet and a good player can easily compensate for that (also, the AI is not terribly effective at building factories like we would). Let them build it, it won't stop me from devouring them.
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Reply #6 April 23, 2006 12:03:44 PM
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A manu facturing capital costs 5580 bc, if I'm not wrong.
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Reply #7 April 23, 2006 12:23:11 PM
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What a total waste of money

I rather wait for a planet like this
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Reply #8 April 23, 2006 12:23:47 PM
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dont forget that on higher levels Ai gets more cash
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Reply #9 April 24, 2006 1:36:25 AM
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Also do be careful if you have the tech to build it yourself, I have more than once thrown down some factories only to have manu capital come up at the end and instead of buying a factory I end up buying the big kahuna.

I've since learned to be more careful, but still it's embarrasing. Specially when you were saving it for a certain world.
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