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Jaxilon
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Unbelievable choice of surrender

April 15, 2006 9:54:07 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
I can't believe this.

I am playing a sandbox game where the Drengin have off and on been attacking the Arceans. I have been trading with the Arcean's and have given them numerous ships to help them fight off the evil Drengin empire. I am on friendly terms with the Arcean's and have been working to forge an alliance with them since the beginning and now they say: "Our war is lost". They then surrender everything to the Drengin.

Frankly it irritates me but the real problem is that i don't see how this happens. They could have picked ANY other of the races that were not attacking them. How is it they choose the only agressor they have known. Why didn't they give themselves over to me, what did I do that failed to impress them?

Btw, I'm playing as Terran.

I'm totally flabbergasted. I've been helping them since the beginning and I may as well have invaded their two planets with my vastly superior fleet. Could their actions have anything to do with my recently attacking and conquoring a minor race's planet?

I just don't see the logic.
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Reply #1 April 15, 2006 10:37:01 PM
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Logic?

/start logic
*Drengin fleet and transport 2 parsec away and about to wipe out every arcean in the universe*
*Drengins says "surrender or die..."*
/end logic

As for the game, I believe the game selects a random player, it doesn't have anything to do with how much they like or hate you. On the other hand, if you are good ethically, and have builted the Hall of Empathy, you get a better chance than all the others.
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Reply #2 April 15, 2006 10:52:49 PM
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have you researched up to majesty and maintained an ethical stance coincidental to theirs? It may be somewhat random but I have had the Drath surrender to me instead of the agressor when I had never given them a dimes worth of aid.
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Reply #3 April 16, 2006 12:06:49 AM
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Were the Arceans boxed in by the Drengin with no other neighbors? I think proximity has something to do with it, but that is only from personal observation in a limited number of games.
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Reply #4 April 16, 2006 12:32:18 AM
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I just had two civs surender to me withen 10 turns of a tech victory. this woud not normally be significant, except that it was the first time I had gotten planets outside my home system (gigantic galaxy, rare stars, I was in a corner and the nearest planet was 19 squares away). I couldn't figure out why they chose me, maybe they figured they would hope on the evolution band wagon.
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Reply #5 April 16, 2006 12:57:41 AM
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I had a single planet as the next nearest neighbor to the Arcean. Other than that, they did have a border with the Drengin (2 planets), myself 3 other planets and the map edge. So I suppose they could have felt cornered by the Drengin. The single planet I had near them wasn't much of a powerhouse so maybe that had something to do with it.

Is it based on influence or is it really random?
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Reply #6 April 16, 2006 1:45:13 AM
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Why didn't Germany surrender to Sweden in World War II? Sweden had been very helpful during the war. They provided the valuable raw materials they needed. They had been generally helpful. So why did they surrender to the Soviets and Western Allies?

Where's the logic in that?

In GalCiv II, there's a lot involved in deciding who it surrenders. It's not random.

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Reply #7 April 16, 2006 1:59:31 AM
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In GalCiv II, there's a lot involved in deciding who it surrenders. It's not random.


Argggg... If you're gonna say that and don't tell us what determines it, then you might as well just say "random" and let us off easy. It's gonna drive some of us nuts ya know...
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Reply #8 April 16, 2006 4:06:53 AM
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I would be much, much happier if taking a Surrender was viewed by the AI for what it actually is, a hostile act, and give them a chance to decline it. I'm always hopelessly annoyed when a climactic 3 year war against a massive galactic empire concludes with its surrender to another race which had nothing to do with the conflict, thus forcing me either to withdraw and risk the wrath of the new owners, or plunge on directly into the next war.
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Reply #9 April 16, 2006 5:46:47 AM
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In my experience the surrendering sure is not random. Only once has a beaten faction surrendered to me if I've been the attacker. That WW2 analogy was a bit stupid, since the germans were already conquered. Their soldiers on the other hand much rather surrendered to the allies than the russian who'd shoot and/or torture them. I'd do so myself too if I had to surrender to someone. I'd seek help from the ones who I like or like better. I'd imagine GS2 might function the same way, more or less.
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Reply #10 April 16, 2006 7:09:11 AM
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The question should not be 'why didnt they surrender to me?' but 'why do they sometimes surrender to someone who isnt attacking them?'.
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