Well, the first solution is to trade for economic buildings from another race, but I prefer not to do this. I am playing the Yor right now as well, and have found that their economy is actually quite efficient once it gets going.

 

1. Building all of your 1pp structures on each planet, along with a stalk. This will have each planet generating research, as well as boosting population and moral.

 

2. Work your way down the Efficiency tech tree, and get the efficiency centers, which is their economic building, and place one of these on each world as well.

 

3. Build a recruitment center on each world, for their econ bonus.

If you do this, combined with trade, you should have planets that end up producing more than they spend, and in the end you are taking in a significant surplus. You can create econ worlds as well, by building 2-3 charging stalks on each world, along with the other buildings, and little else. Build as many stalks as you think the population can handle. One bonus of only being able to use imperial government is that approval matters little except for population growth, so you can crank up the taxes. 

Well, let's assume you're playing without foreign techs then building super-econ planets with the Yor is not possible, as their only economic structure (the Efficiency Center) is 1-per-planet only.

However, researching down their "Efficiency Studies" techtree will give you +45% econ increase, alongsinde with the +25% from the structure, as well as +10% from racial which will built up together as +80% throughout all planets which is quite strong, although not so strong as other civs (when you focus on all-econ and build 2 farms, 1 moral, rest all stockmarkets.)

I think the Yor were designed as a big industrialist - producing lots of stuff, as the only thing thats really spamable are their factories. (the basic stalks are somewhat inefficient)

The basic problem with that is that without doing proper research there's not much to built anyway - even if you're going so far as clustering whole sectors with starbases - these will become so costly that they can't be afforded anymore.

With research, the problem is that, again, their starting building is also 1-per-planet only, and the later research buildings are too expensive to built and maintain.

On the other hand, their 1-per-planet buildings are really strong, they have a lot of return or output, and a low maintenance. In order to cash in on that try to colonize as many planets as possible - even if they are low in PQ/tiles, or barren worlds or deep in foreign terrain (the Yor will not flip and their Super-Ability might slow down others).

Try to get the Research Matrix, Efficiency Center, Recruitment Center and MaintGrid on all of them. You'll need 2-4 stalks, too. Most of the initial research can easily be done by steming from the capital building + matrix.

As far as you need factories, build only tier 1 or 2 factories as they are incredibly cheap to maintain while still having good output. If I remember correctly their endtier factory has the greatest output ingame but it's really costly. So if you have enough tiles just plaster them with tier 1 facs its very fast upbuilt and there's good output.

Then you should aim to get population up, not superhigh but around ~14b. Once you've researched "Advanced Charging Stalks" you can overbuild the "Maintenace Grid" with one as the stalk will net the same moral bonus (+20%) but bring in another 3b people.

On extreme planets with +50% production penalty don't built facs but instead built stalks, aim to go high pop there. One downside of their stalk is that it ingraines two separate bonuses, thus, if you find a planet with both moral+pop bonus tiles present, you'll only be able to net 50% of these bonuses while other cultures can exploit them fully. That's another reason why their specialization is hampered by their tech ^^

Having a high population is about the only thing that you can actively do in order to get your economy running (and you should aim at that also because combined with the Yors +30% soldiering their worlds are hard to invade), and there are some basic tips I can give you.

Occasionally you want to lower taxes in order to get 100% approval rate for some time, esp. if the population of some/most of your planets is still low (around 1250m-4b) as these planets will not net much tax anyway so not much is lost. Later on this changes and around 7b-10b go up until the lowest approval rate is 45%.

Check each turn if this planet dropped to 44%, and lower taxes again. Most of your planets should be around 50-70%, and assuming you've got Fertility Centers everywhere there should still be a significant increase in population.

Around 14b you can try to apply maximum taxes - so that the approval rate of your worst planet is still 20% (or above). Most planets will then be red (no population growth anymore, try not be at 19% or less as then you will loose pop)

Most planets will be red between 20% - 44%, while some might be yellow above 44%. If the red ones aren't popcapped you can manually ship population to them (from the yellow ones where there's still growth) untill all planets are at 20% approval or capped. This will let you net maximal taxes. You can even go so far as to design a planet for this popgrowth by building lots of stalks + grid, and taking away as much pop that approval rate is at 100%. If that planet has moral tiles it will be easier, and here you can see that doing this wih the Yor is twice as difficult as with other races.

Ad if you don't expect an invasion on the red planets etc you can overbuild the Recruiting Center as well.

Btw you're Efficiency Center will be the prime target for enemy spies, and at a certain point it will become too expensive to get own spies for nullification. In that regard if you can spare a tile it's way better to destroy the Center and rebuilt it on another tile than wasting 10k bc on a spy.

Later the game will unlock a 1-per-planet production increasing building, and a similar for research as well. They are really costly to build and rather weak in what they are doing. On most planets, adding an extra lab/fac will net more return. Only on planets up to 20 tiles or more I'd considering these 2, and naturally, besides your basic buildings (starport, matrix, centers, stalks, grid) you must have build only either facs or labs additionally there.

I've tried to play quite a few times an all-lab or an all-fac strategy, and I can say that without techbrokering all-lab is too expensive in the start (if you built the additional labs) but all factory was even worse - tech research was way to slow so you would only end up producing crap.

So what i would do is to flip constantly between them, initally focusing more on research + colonization while filling extra spare tiles up with tier 1 facs so I could swap immediately to all military or social production once a critical tech has been researched - for example, Miniaturization II together with the Yors innate miniaturization racial will let you built colony/miner/trade/construction modules on a tiny hull - which then can be cranked out turn by turn.

 

 

You may want to check out the TA 101 guide I wrote. Its at the top of the strategies forum directory. I've tried to update it, but I lost focus at some point. I should get back to it.

I'll provide a link to it (click the link to the old version as the new version barely exists):
https://forums.galciv2.com/310907/page/1/#1730212

Anyways, the strategies already mentioned are valid. You need to keep a seriously tight budget to do anything. Here are a few other things you should consider:

-Nab galactic resources. Green and Yellow galactic resources boost both the economy and morale. This would allow you to increase taxes higher and get more income per tax level. Nab Purple so you don't need to build so many research planet improvements to remain competitive. Blue increases influence and thus increases tourism income (determined by the population of the galaxy and what percent of the galaxy you control. More is better). Influence also improves the area of effect of your super ability, which slows down ships giving you the chance to pick your fights. Nab Red to increase military might and favor powerful ships (as red galactic resources benefits are more strongly felt on powerful ships than weaker ones).
-Hold off on upgrading the factories.  The Yor's factories take a long time to build and the expenses of maintaining advanced models isn't good for the Yor's economy.
-Consider upgrading factories to max out galactic resources. It might be strange to consider, considering the harm that factories can do to the Yor's economy. However, with good group of galactic resources, it might push you ahead of what you might be able to achieve without them. Be certain to upgrade the mining starbases with mining modules or it will be for naught.
-Defend galactic resources. Especially greens and yellows. The Yor can still exploit galactic resources, but to do they need to research factory techs which are not good for their economy. If you decide to upgrade factory techs to exploit galactic resources, it will be tedious to prevent your factories from auto-upgrading to their more expensive versions. As such, any action to upgrade factory techs to exploit these resources effectively means you can't go back. Make sure you defend your galactic resources, otherwise you will find yourself in a financially difficult spot.

Their SuperAbility is completely overpowered in certain regions, esp. if you need to play defensively in a warfighting suicidal game where the AIs outtechs you and gain space superiority. In such a case you may want to prevent the AI from invading your worlds.

You can built Military Starbases and equip them with -2 speed, which means enemy ships will move with +1 only. Set all starports on planets that are targeted for invasion to built a tiny hull each turn. The AI will not be able to invade because you'll have constantly ships around that planet.

Of course Military Starbases are often targeted too but with Tiny Constructors very early available due to their Miniaturization racial @ 95mp cost they can replaced right immediately keeping enemy ships always at 1 speed. Works best if you got a few clustered planets nearby.

And even if a transport or two get through, Yor have good soldiering anyway.

That's true, their kinetic streams take very less space (to be fair this goes for Laser as well) and make up for great force per ship. However, these are also very expensive to built which somehow is a bit compensated by their strong Military Production. So if you wanna have a few overtly strong ships early in game go this route.

The other weapon trees are also not that bad either.

For example, their Scatter Guns are extremely cheap to build - in fact, so cheap that you can built ships twice or even trice as fast as those with Kinetic Streams. That will give you even more and faster Military Might Ranking although you'll have weaker ships/fleets but in great number - which, if you play around with Military starbases powering up your ships is the way to go.

I remember a game long ago on suicidal where i couldn't beat the AI with normal ship to ship combat because he did outsearch me on weapons endlessly. So what I did was just cranking out the cheapest 1Att 1 Deff Tiny Fighters as fast as possible and invading his sectors by taking a fleet of constructors with me in order to build up MiliatryStarbases which made my fleets 10*more powerfull as they were equipped originally. And it did work well   

Missile is also good. Seeker take also very less space and Harpoon compensate with added attack. If you plan to go evil then missile-route is a no-brainer anyway because Psionic Missile is the fastest to get and is superior to all other weapons by a large margin.

In the end it boils down to individual play, if you focus more on research -thus lacking production- you may want to built cheaper warships, or vice versa expensive high quality ships with an all-factory strategy - but always keep in mind that the more military power you use the more maintenance you'll have to pay each turn; and the economy seems to be the limiting bottleneck in the Yor's design.

Im surprised this is still going anyway

 

The Yor get several advantages over other races in regard to research they get a very powerful starting research building as well as a tech that is immediately available which gives better research centres at about the time the AI is building basic research labs  - outteching your opponents as the yor tends not to be an issue in my limited experience

The prior posts all have good stuff, so I'll limit this to what I can add.  I always play as Yor, and find that the economy is always a concern but usually works out ok.

 

1.  Your first priority in research is the techs necessary to get the recruiting center and efficiency center.  After that, you need to research ion drive and sensors, so you can put out two or three survey ships.  Grabbing anomalies faster than the AI will save your butt.

2.  Your next priority in research is the early diplomacy techs, then diplomatic relations and trade.  Even if you don't build Diplomatic Translators (usually someone else gets there first, but sometimes I luck out), you'll have a good diplomacy bonus from these.

3.  After that, your priority is to build up to habitat improvement and build aphrodisiac.  I get there before the AI almost every time, and the pop bonus is a huge help for the Yor, especially when you're on the move.

4.  Counter-espionage centers aren't an early priority, but get those going before people start dropping spies on you.  It's an additional 20% morale boost, permitting more stalks and/or higher taxes, and will save you billions down the road in spies you don't have to buy.

5.  Shamelessly trade influence for cash.  The Drengin and Thalans are usually a good bet to have money laying around and are way worse than you at diplomacy, so cha-ching. 999 influence points can bring 3 or 400 bc a pop.

6.  For smaller planets, assuming they don't have production bonuses, only build the research matrix, efficiency center, recruiting center, maintenance grid, and charging stalks.  Same goes for extreme planets, their primary purpose is to house more evil robots.

7.  Be efficient about how your fleet is built.  With medium ships, tons of miniaturization, and strong defenses, you can do well with a smaller (and therefore cheaper) force.  Also, the more battles they survive, the more experience and hit points they accumulate. 

The Yor do have farms. They are called Charging Stalks. Unlike regular farms, however, Charging Stalks not only increase the population limit, but also planetary morale.

I think you've confused the Yor with the Thalan. They are the only race without farms.

Just because you don't like them, doesn't change the fact that Charging Stalks are farms.


This comparison is off. The Harvester is a starting 1pp improvement. They are meant to be powerful, in order to give a boost at the start of the game. A better comparison would be the Xeno Farm, which is a basic farm.

Even so, let's go with your comparison. The Basic Stalk provides 1 food, +5% morale bonus, has a maintenance cost of 1bc, and no research cost. At first glance the Harvester is more powerful (albeit slightly more expensive with a maintenance cost of 2bc). However, you can build only one Harvester, while the Basic Stalk has no such limit. I have to build four Basic Stalks to match your food output, but that also means, that I have a +20% morale bonus, and can therefore run a higher tax rate. Which is good, because my maintenance cost is twice as high as yours.
For only 100rp I can research Charging Stalks to upgrade my Basic Stalks. One Charging Stalk produce 2 food, +15% morale bonus, and has a maintenance cost of 1bc. I only need two of them to match your food output, while my increased morale bonus (+30% now) allows me to run an even higher tax rate. My maintenance cost, on the other hand, is the same as yours.
The 2,000rp for Advanced Charging Stalks, on the other hand, would be too expensive early game. Even if I would go after them, I would still need to build two to match your food output (although mine would then be higher).


Both races can trade for regular farming techs.


Money is the most powerful thing in GalCiv. Population is the main source of income (both from taxes and tourism). So, yes, I agree with that assessment.


As the Yor, I usually have a population of 17-20b per planet. Depending on how many morale resources I have, I'm running a tax rate of at least 69%. More than enough money to finance my Collectives.

As the Thalan, you can build as many Stock Markets as you have space. A higher base population would be nice, but it isn't absolutely necessary.


The Central Mine, just like the Harvester, is a starting 1pp improvement. However, I only need to build three Collectives to beat it. My maintenance cost is the same as yours (3bc), but my output is higher (15mp compared to your 12mp). I also have no problem running them at 100%.

Hardly. I only need a PQ 7 for my "econ" worlds (4 ACSs, Maintenance Grid, Counter-Espionage Center, Initial Colony). Once those worlds are fully build up, I won't need the Collectives anymore, and can build over them.

Getting a PQ 7, however, is almost impossible. A base PQ 5 world ends up being a PQ 8 after terraforming, while a PQ 4 can turn into a PQ 16, if your lucky. This means, that I usually have enough space for at least a Research Matrix. Ultimately though, planetary development depends heavily on bonus-tiles, but that is hardly new information.


Granted, but as long as you are mining those resources, the enemy can't get them. Well, at least until he destroys the mining starbase, and builds one of his one.


Only if I stay at Basic Stalks. With two Charging Stalks, my morale bonus is +30%, which is twice the amount of your Temple of Memories. Even then, I also start out with the Maintenance Grid, which provides another +20%.

The thing with central mining and the Super-Breeder trait is that you try to turn EVERY new colony into a colony-producing colony.  Only the Torians can get away with this.   

If done right (and with some luck) your colony numbers grow exponentially.  1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4, 4 becomes 8, 8 becomes 16, 16 becomes 32, 32 becomes 64, 64 becomes 128, at which point you win.  

If the human can get to 100 colonies, he auto-wins.  

double post sry

In my version harvesters and temple of memories are 1 bc in maintenance.  Either way, a minor point.  So for a total of 5 bcs in maintenance. 

About the Torian tech tree being the best: it is highly subjective.  But I've tried some of the other tech trees and... arrrgh.  

For example: the Thalans.  Until you get Manufacturing Matrices Lvl 2, your new colonies literally can't build anything. Even after you get them, the lack of farms means econ problems running those Matrices (that's what I've found).  Their start is so slow.  For the first 80 weeks, the only productive colony is the Hyperion Matrix.  I guess one idea is to mass research labs, but I always fall behind with them in the colony rush.

The Altarians: Social Matrix is awesome, but otherwise their starting structures are all bleh.  

The Yor: all of their buildings take a lot more bcs and research to build than the Torians.  Once you set it up, they're just as strong.  The problem is setting it up.  

The Korath and Drengin: Ok, the slaveling industry plant lvl 2 (3 bcs, 10 production) is a central mine except more spammable.  Problem is you don't start with them in the beginning.  Also, it takes a while to get farming.  Also, slaveling imagination labs are pretty stinky.  They have good war traits (especially the Korath) but in the early game on larger maps war is useless.  

Iconians: Excellent research.  Everything else is pretty terrible. 

Terrans: all about Diplomacy.  Otherwise meh.  Innovation Complex is pretty good for culture domination strats though.  However, like all the other races, they don't explode out of the gate like the Torians.  

Korx: They have trade.  That's all. On medium or smaller maps it's all you need.  On larger maps... meh.  

Krynn: Among the best tech paths for larger maps.  Comparable to the Torians, but their early manufacturing is a little worse, though the ability to spam +20% econ building on ever planet makes up for it.   Also, the base race gets this MASSIVE morale boost.  If it wasn't for their awful trait "Super-Spy" I'd consistently play them.  

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this game is about expanding as quickly and as early as possible, and the Torians have the edge on this compared to all other races.  The larger map, the more OP the Torians become.  The only comparable race on the larger map sizes is the Krynn.  

I might consider playing Krynn with the "Don't Ask" reproductive quality.  

 

Are you using a mod per chance? I'm reading those values straight out of the game-files (v2.04), and they say 2bc.


If you have money problems, you should build more markets. As for the slow start, that is intentional. They more than make up for this with very powerful techs later on.


The Altarians have some of the best techs in the game, especially if you go Good. Big bonuses to Luck, Creativity, PQ, Social and Military Production, Soldiering, and Defense. A huge bonus to Weapons. The best Atlas modules in the game. Do I need to go on?


The Iconians have three of the best 1pp improvements in the game: Interstellar Refinery (16mp), Molecular Fabricator (+50% production), Merchant Trade Complex (+50% economy). They also get a huge bonus to their Repair ability (+100%), and the best Fortitude Module, Organic Hull Plating. The only real downside for the Iconians is the maintenance cost of most of their improvements, but that is more of a problem for the AI.


The Terrans also have a high emphasis on speed. They have access to Fleet Warp Bubbles, which can make all ships in your fleet move faster. They also have the Stellar Folder, which is the best drive-engine in the game, and the Integrity Grid, which is one of the best Fortitude modules.


Two words: War Profiteering. It allows you to make money from other races' war. Granted, the Korx only get 2%, while the Drath can get 11%, but it is nothing to snezze at. They also have a tech which reduces the cost to rush-buy ships and improvement by 25%. Combine this with the bonus for going Neutral and you can buy everything for half the price. The Thalan are the only other race which can achieve this.


The Integrity Grid has a size-modifier, while the Organic Hull Plating doesn't. This means, that the bigger the hull is, the better OHP becomes, because it doesn't increase in size. For smaller hulls, though, IG remains the better option, because it only has a base-size of 3, while OHP has a base-size of 4.