Try building some highly upgraded influence bases deep inside both of their territories and then give them to your opponents so that they both have active influences bases near each others planets. This should cause a tension on their relations and eventually you should be able to manipulate them into war with each other. It will take some time however and if you only want to remove the economic treaty that's not possible - only a declaration of war between the two parties will break a treaty.

Another "dirty trick" you can try:

- build two warships - small is okay, as is cheap,

- move one close to the homeworld or core planet of each empire,

- "upgrade" both ships so that they have no engines, and then

- trade, sell, or just gift them to the opposite race so that each has a warship beside each other's planet.

hears also great will do that!

ive one more question about the st evolution mod. perhaps someone knows what i can do there.

the breen never build war ships. only troop transporter, colony ships, trade vessels and constructors. but no ships with weapons.

i tried already to change the ai <AIPersonality>11</AIPersonality> to lower like 7 ect. but without success..

also tried to make them as custom race but even then they dont build military ships.

does someone know what i can do there too?  THX ^^

No, I am not sure.

In DA, I do not recall learning detailsd as to why one AI declared war on another.  Am I mistaken?  Are such details provided in ToA?

Did the reports include the information as to why war was declared?

I haven't tried it myself but I think the transport trick also works and is probably even more effective than the influence bases. The AI certainly don't like a bunch of enemy transports next to their worlds. It will probably hurt your own relations with the AI race more than the influence bases though as Scanian8 pointed out. Even with the influence bases it's best to work quickly.

Hi!

With cheats on, I've read you can "play" AI players. Can't find how to do that - IIRC in DA it was a combo of CTRL, Shift and some other key though.

BR,  Iztok

A few more thoughts on the warship issue: Have the Breen built non-military ships (colony ships, freighters, constructors)? If they haven't, check their difficulty - they may have accidentally been set to "Fool". What is the difficulty setting, anyway?

Also, if you've played this mod before, have the Breen built warships in those games?

Hmm. The reason I wondered if it worked was because I've had several games where two AIs fought a war in space "owned" by a third AI, and it never seemed to harm their relations. As a matter of fact, placing warships (not transports) by AI planets doesn't even seem to harm my relations with them.

Also, just out of curiosity on this topic, how 'paranoid' is the AI about transports by their worlds? The reason I ask is, when I first owned DL, I played on Normal and constantly got "We know what you're doing" messages from AIs, many of whom I never planned to attack. But now on Tough, when they actually do declare war for this, I've only ever had it happen once.

Edit: Make that twice...and this time it was really stupid of them.

That means the problem is with the mod. I've never had this happen in the (relatively simple) mods I've made, so you're on your own there. However, I do know that in TOA, there was a known issue with the Terrans and Altarians not building warships. If the mod is for TOA and the Breen are derived from either of those races (unlikely from what I remember of them on DS9, but you never know), then it could be the same issue.

That means the problem is with the mod itself. I've never had this happen in the (relatively simple) mods I've made, so you're on your own there. However, I do know that in TOA, there was a known issue with the Terrans and Altarians not building warships. If the mod is for TOA and the Breen are derived from either of those races (unlikely from what I remember of them on DS9, but you never know), then it could be the same issue.

That means the problem is with the mod itself. I've never had this happen in the (relatively simple) mods I've made, so you're on your own there. However, I do know that in TOA, there was a known issue with the Terrans and Altarians not building warships. If the mod is for TOA and the Breen are derived from either of those races (unlikely from what I remember of them on DS9, but you never know), then it could be the same issue.

That means the problem is with the mod itself. I've never had this happen in the (relatively simple) mods I've made, so you're on your own there. However, I do know that in TOA, there was a known issue with the Terrans and Altarians not building warships. If the mod is for TOA and the Breen are derived from either of those races (unlikely from what I remember of them on DS9, but you never know), then it could be the same issue.