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MCC is it fixed in DA 2?

February 26, 2009 1:12:38 PM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

Does the 2.01.107 update fix the Mind Control Center in DA, or is it fixed only in TA?

(I tried searching the fora and checking the changelog but did not find anything.)

Thanks.

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Reply #1 February 26, 2009 5:03:31 PM
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It is still the same in DA, The fix didn't make it into the backported updates.

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Reply #2 February 27, 2009 8:03:35 AM
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Fixed. I'd use that term losely. I'll forever maintain that it was not the funtoin of the MCC that was wrong but the description.

The coin flips both ways.

Besides, it's now too powerful in it's new role anyway. (TA of course)

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Reply #3 February 27, 2009 8:17:19 AM
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Besides, it's now too powerful in it's new role anyway. (TA of course)

Really?  Instant flipping of 4x influenced planets is OP in comparison to a +100% racial bonus to econ?

In TA, when used in conjuction with heavy influence (/drool Dark Influence buildings) it's a powerful mock-invasion tool.  However the DA version really helps fuel the military for a immense invasion force, as well as inflating econ scores...

I'll give you equal power when utililized to it's fullest...calling one OP vs the other...nah.

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Reply #4 February 27, 2009 9:53:51 AM
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Loup, i never said the MCC wasn't over powered in previously. It of course was.

My point is SD traded one over powered bonus for another.

The reasoning why i think it is more powerful as it is now is that the player need do nothing but build it to get it's full advantage. Planets will flip to you.

Before with the 100% to econ the player still had to know what to do and have the strategy to use that 100% econ bonus. In TA they sit back and reap the rewards.

If you take my meaning.

Both versions are overpowered, when used correctly, i think its just easier to use the TA version for the normal player.

Us vets could find a way to put an empty shoe box to use by now i think.

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Reply #5 February 27, 2009 10:33:06 AM
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I guess my big problem with that is, the TA version just instills MASSIVE amounts of luck on the player's behalf for flipping planets, whereas the DA version gives an economic boost.  If a player was the luckiest SOB on the planet, they could emulate the TA MCC, but there isn't anything that could match the DA MCC.

So while both are game mechanics, one is something that has a 0% chance to be replicated (DA) the other has a NEAR 0% chance to be replicated (TA).

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Reply #6 February 27, 2009 11:29:02 AM
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Do you guys find the AI building the MCC in TA often / ever?  In DA you'd have to be playing suicidal and something other than evil for the AI to get around to building it. 

I've debated with myself wheather I'd actually take the update if they ever got around to fixing the MCC for DA. I agree that it is quite powerful either way, but i think it could be more fun to play with it as it was originally decribed. Definitiely gives an alternative to the build ships- destoy enemy ships- invade - repeat srategy.

 

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Reply #7 February 27, 2009 11:35:40 AM
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I don't think I've seen them build it, but I know I've seen them get the tech for it.

Before the MCC was fixed in TA, I had played the Thalans (lack the tech for the MCC) and got lucky with an AI to research it, I bought it ASAP and quick-built the MCC.  It vastly helped righten my Thalan economy.

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Reply #8 February 27, 2009 1:27:41 PM
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See, thats might be the problem with this, and other alignment based structures. Its always looked at as something the human play is going to have.

Until my last game I hadn't seen the AI ever build any of the evil-only buildings (well ok had some extra ASC's that did me no good once before). I played as neutral, leaving them available to the AI and the Drengin built them all (to me delight). But it was somewhat scarry to think of my enemy having them until i could invade those planets.

I guess without being able to get the tech you can't do this in TA, since the structure would disapear. right?

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Reply #9 February 27, 2009 1:35:55 PM
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Some things don't get destroyed if you don't have their tech.  Things that get destroyed are mainly normal buildings and perhaps Super Projects.  I highly doubt that Galactic Achievements would get destroyed.

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Reply #10 February 27, 2009 5:19:24 PM
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Most(?) SP, all TG and all GA are immune to loss from invasion (even from mass driver attacks on planets, unless they've changed that recently). Pretty much the only way to get rid of one of these is to destroy the planet it's on.

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Reply #11 February 27, 2009 8:48:14 PM
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Iv'e never seen the AI build the MCC, in any build of any expansion. I have seen the ASC and the Temple of Evil though.

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