This has been addressed several ways, and has gotten significantly better. I haven't had an out-of-memory crash in months. The newly reworked graphics in TA are intended to reduce this problem even further. The problem is that the game is so big the problem may never be entirely eliminated.

Also, I'm pretty sure Stardock knew the memory problem existed while they were making DA. It just took a while to find where exactly the problems were and how to address them.

well...mmmmmmmmm that was interesting !!!

Oh, where to begin....

As others have mentioned, TA is intended to address some of these memory issues, so if you were willing to buy an expansion to fix the problems with DA, then I would expect TA would fill your needs.

I'm also pretty amused by the 'enjoy beta testing TA for the next few years' line. TA is going through a signficant beta test as is, with an additional two months possibly being tacked on to focus on ai tuning. Given stardock's past record, there's no reason to believe the game will be any more unstable, unbalanced upon release than any other similar game, and will recieve some support upon release.

You throw around the term 'beta test' alot, without actually pointing to other turn based games that are signficantly better in terms of technical stability, ai, or balance than this one. And yet you consider this a 'great game'. What this tells me is that, while it might be fair to say that there are quite a few fanboys on this site, there are also quite a few posters who have a pathetic sense of entitlement.

Yes, i was ranting, and perhaps i owe everyone an apology for that. However, in my defense, i had just experienced yet another annoying loss of numerous actions taken during a turn of the game that i could not then save. Although i have the game set to save automatically every turn, sometimes, a lot happens in one turn. This is a very irritating bug that is known, and experienced by many. It is furher irritating to know that the only way to repair the bug, apparently, is to shell out more money for another expansion pack. Rather than have any constructive comments as to potential fixes, i am flamed and my concerns discarded simply because i am running the program on a Mac under boot camp. And, to say that it is "unsupported" is merely another way of ignoring the real issue, which is a bug in the programming, period. One can say what they will about Windows on the Mac being "thrown together" or "emulated"--what ever... but i know that i have numerous games playing on this machine and not a single one of them experience this problem. i run many other software titles as well... and again, i do not have this problem. So it is difficult for me to stomach that the problem lies with my system. It clearly doesn't.

Secondly, i sincerely appreciate the efforts of Stardock to fix the coding of this fantastic game. i wouldn't be so irritated by these errors if i didn't enjoy playing the game as much as i do. i absolutely love it! i would just like to be able to play it through without constant concerns of it crashing... And the fact that the error affects the ability to save the game is just the acid on the cake. It would seem to me that some fix should be in order to address this issue. Although i can't save the game, i can continue to play it, but that is pretty fruitless as a single game is hardly finished in one sitting.

i have looked on the MS website regarding increasing the RAM allotment that Windows can recognize to 3gb. i am very interested in trying this, but can't find the correct sytax to use. i am running Windows XP Home Edition, but the site appears to address only the Server. If anyone else has tried this trick with success, posting the lines added to the boot.ini file here for use with Windows XP would be really helpful.

Additionally, i have Windows Vista, if the game runs better under that, i can certainly install it. Does the game run better under Vista? Does Vista enable greater RAM allotment to the game? i think, although i am not for certain, that Vista can recognize all the RAM i actually have installed on my system. However, i don't know if the game itself would be affected by its doing so... Any feedback on this would be helpful as well...

Rhamiel go ahead and send in save game if posable and a debugger any way,.. it may be

be helpful!!!

and yes OOM are a pain,.. alto i`ve not had one for a while and i can play hugh in DA and TA new maps size and play far in to the game then what most would play,.. meaning i could have won by now but i like to research the tech tree all the way thur so by the time i do decicde to win i have a lot in may save games and yes after losing 2 to 3 savegames in a row it is hard to keep playing !!!!
i thing they have work on it some for DA and i know it has been work on in TA but try turning down or off the Planet Surface Variety slider in Video option and see if that helps if you have all ready my bad


Nasty

PS if you come fully arm with guns to a gun fight here,.. you`ll find that there are those that are willing to shoot back !!! And NO It Does Not Help Fix The Issue

Oh JUST found something that explains this issue a lot better than I could. I just deleted four paragraphs and was able to replace it with a link and the following summary FANTASTIC! Pretty much confirms what I already was thinking what could cause this issue honest

Link http://www.ittvis.com/services/techtip.asp?ttid=3346

Summary.
Issue caused by Low available memory.
Solution: get more memory, allocate more virtual memory or close down existing programs.
Issue caused by Operating System Limits.
Solution: Try the switch (mixed results) otherwise upgrade to a 64bit OS.
Issue caused by Memory Fragmentation.
Solution: Has to be fixed by the application developer.

you could also hold on until GalCiv2 2.0 is released. if i understand and recall correctly, they'll be backporting most of the improvements from TA into previous versions. you might want to look for more than a half-remembered possibility, though.

on a separate note, i've got nothing against Mac-ophiles, but seriously, if you want to play video games, they're really not the best way to go. i imagine the purchase was probably made out of professional necessity, video editing or something along those lines, and if that's the case it was a fine choice to make. but if you can afford a seven thousand dollar computer for professional applications, i think you can suck it up and assemble five to seven hundred dollars worth of standard PC components for gaming. if you live in the U.S., you can probably count your Mac as a tax deduction if you purchased it during the last year (or any components you purchased last year), and that could help out along those lines of a new purchase. i'm not trying to brush your problem aside, i'm just being realistic: if you're determined to game using Mac hardware, you're going to have problems.

honestly, i wish it weren't the case. i really, really don't want to use Vista. ever. i was hoping development would become less focused on MS's line of operating systems when Vista came out, but it didn't turn out that way. but as they say, if you want something done right, do it yourself.

i believe this to be a misnomer. i have owned only one WinTel PC in my lifetime. i will never purchase another. It was painful enough to buy XP and that bloatware called "Vista." And, now with the newer Mac's there is absolutely no need to do so. i have Windows XP installed on my computer simply to play games. i have quite a few and they all run as well as they do on any WinTel PC. The problems i am experiencing with this game are equivalent to those experienced by WinTel PC users. i would pit my MacPro against any PC anywhere anytime, period. Does that mean that my system is "better?" Perhaps not, but it is certainly more versatile, and suits me just fine. i do intensive graphics and video on my MacPro, but i hardly got it as a professional machine, as i am not a professional in either of those areas. i got it because it is, in my personal opionion, the best bang for the buck, and offers a superior user interface. And i certainly would not want to clutter my space with several computers when one does the job quite nicely. i would strongly suggest checking out the newer Macs before underselling them. And, you certainly don't have to pay out the nose for one these days.



Yes, as i stated earlier, everything is up to date. i have not, however, tried the new beta of the newest expansion pack, and don't believe i will do so as my experience with the game has been what it is. If the game as it is is repaired, then i might purchase the expansion.

Quite true! BUT STOP. WAIT. Don't do it on your own unless you know what you're doing. You could seriously mess up your exe file if you go around hex editing it.

If you're going to mess around with it, back it up! But as a practice, i recommend NOT trying it. You can enable the 3GB flag in your boot.ini file (if you know what you're doing), but having the game use that 3GB DOES require that IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE bit in the game's exe file be enabled.

Now as a concept, it might be something Stardock could look into as far as enabling it for those who want to try the 3GB boot. I don't know if enableing the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE bit without using the 3GB flag in your boot.ini would cause any adverse effects (i can't imagine it would, i just don't know as i have had the 3GB flag enabled since i built my 64-bit machine).

If there is no downside to it, it could be an easy fix for those who just can't get rid of that OOM error, and have the additional memory to spare. But aside from the fact i may or may not have done it myself, i'd still recommend that everyone wait for stardock to do it themselves, if they choose to. Or at the very least, wait for them to make a seperate, downloadable, officially unsupported exe file available for those who want to try it.

And remember, if you do it yourself (which i DO NOT recommend), you SHOULD NOT distribute that file in any way! Doing so could very well be highly illegal, as exe files are often proprietary in nature.

i have this *program* with a short "install"guide for the boot.exe, its adding something to the game...seems to work

Kay. I'll grant you this one. After all i truly AM one of these Morons for trying to help out a complete stranger who was actually ranting about OOM on a costly Mac with an alternate OS.
But lemme insist on some personal history here; I've coded stuff since 1982 (that's a whole T-w-en-t-y__F-i-v-e years, right there - and as anyone serious about their work, i have evolved and kept up with the industry). Thus, i know a few things about PCs (and Apples, Oranges, Lemons, etc). And, can be helpful to anyone if they are behaving in a civil manner. Although, you really were coming across, somehow, i dunno, like a few words quoted above.

As for THE problem, i know exactly what it is, i DO have a definitive, final, sturdy, excellent, perfect, immmediate solution... but since i'm such an idiot (quoting/end-quote) i guess it would take a LOT more than a mood swing to share it with YOU.

Secondly;



Maybe gallagher118, is however absolutely RIGHT about a couple of things above.

Thirdly;



Kay #2! And yet, my collaboration mood will possibly take a few more days (even, weeks) of thorough moronic reflection.
Sooooo, i'll say it again - THERE is a solution. The road to paradise was hinted about in some posts above.
Nobody on the WWW is an expert. Everyone is unknown enough to not be trusted by anybody. But, perhaps the other person(s) which DO have something positive to add, will never submit to anybody's tears of memory leaks (extremely easily configurable)... unless --

- Zyxpsilon.

there your solution,...

you solve it yourself,.. live with it

To the people who said something about spyware and other applications above. Aren't memory limits are separate for each process? Spyware can slow the system down, but I don't think it can cause "out of memory" errors.

Also, I've read about open-source replacement for windows memory manager a while ago. Can't seem to find the link anywhere...