My personal consern has to do with the order in wich that the federation gets their hulls. Right now the federation starts the game with several different cargo hulls. But no scouting hulls. At first i didnt really think twice about this. It wasnt untill i had already colonized the whole map and was in need of a military that i started throwing alot of research towards the hull techs. after working for quite a while i got the next hull tech... and it gave me the Phoenix. For those of you not familiar, this is the FIRST warp capable ship humans ever made. I love that this is in the game... but its alittle sad to be getting the first ever warp ships after having colonized the whole galaxy. as i looked forwerd through the next few techs (wich i honestly didnt even play to after how put off i was) I saw that it was gonna take another 3 or so techs even get to TOS erra ships... then after that you get to a sovereign (post TNG) with in another 2 or 3 tech... forgive me if i get the numbers wrong its been a good day or two since i looked at them and i dont have the mod on this particular computer. Either way. I think it would be good to see you start with the ability to get the Phoenix and then the first research will give you the NX class. I honestly would like to see the cargo hulls need some researching. I dont really like that we start with the ability to transport "millions" of people to other planets light years away but cant even mount a gun on a very small ship that isnt supposed to leave its home system. In keeping with the Star Trek timeline, this would also make sense since we didnt start colonizing other systems till about Star Trek: Enterprise erra. And if your really conserned about being able to colonize mars... still give us that first colony ship. we can either use it as a "sleeper" ship to go find a bigger planet or go colonize the smaller insystem planet. Either way we only get one till after a small amount of research...

Maybe a little tweaking is necessary, but i have confidence it will turn out will... id like to be able to enjoy it while i have the time over christmas break... though that might not happen. Maybe ill try messing with the files myself and see what i can come up with. Ill let you guys know.

Seeing the transport hulls requiring research would be awesome, however, the AI won't be able to handle it and you'd probabily end up colonizing the entire galaxy before they would build their first colonizer.

I think ill wind up doubling up on ships. Like have a Vorcha (Klingon) and then later have a Vorcha Refit that has better stats to make things more balanced against the fed.

One thing I remembered is how each tech level gave you more ships, but you really had no incentive to use the new ones apart from looks. The first few techs actually wind up giving you bigger ships. But once you hit, what ive termed Pre-TNG, everything is the same. So what I did was, starting with the Enterprise-C erra on each new set of ships has an extra speed boost of +1 to it. So by the time you get to the "Future Hull" tech your at base speed of 4 just from your hull. I think after all the other tech bonuses this will provide a nice little insentive to go design new ships after each research breakthrough.

im sorry, but i dont really understand what your suggesting? what would be the advantage of removeing the mini techs? I see it could be done if properly ballanced by hull size, but in what way would it make the game beter?

ohh... ok, well the point of the mini techs (i thought) wasnt like "shrinking" more like electronics getting more advanced. this analogus to laptops getting thinner. But ok, if this is what you mean i get it.

Go to the "forums" link in the actual star trek mod post. once you sign up for the forums the file is available in there. and it is only compatable with DA for now. alot more info is on the official forum.

This post is for renfl. i have been trying to get on your website in order to get the startrek mods and it says that i cannot. I am new to all this modding stuff. If you could help me I would appreciate it. I have galciv2 gold edition and also what is tota and DA.

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Sign up, onces your approved you can download.

I have had a quick look through some of the modded files and have been able to reduce the amount of time it takes to research the techs needed for the small hulls. However, if anyone knows how to modify each individual ship as to which tech makes it become available, I would very much appreciate it if they could share that info with me   

yeah what ive been doing is messing with the ShipComponents.xml file. I still am having trouble with it though. Ive Modified all the ships to have enhanced varied attributes. ex. Intrepid gets extra speed. Defiant increased space for weapons but more expensive. that sorta thing. What iv tryed to do also is make the cargo hulls available after some easy research. and I've made the first tear cargo hull size 30 instead of the ridiculous 80. Except there are these three pesky cargo hulls that have eluded my modding. No mater what i do I cant get them to disappear from the beginning of the game. Having an 80 hull kinda kills the game. I did all this over christmas when i had time. And after no body could help me figure out why these three cargo hulls, wich apear no were in the ShipComponents file, wont go away i just gave up and kept playing Sins of a Solar Empire. Drij mentioned editing the RaceConfig.xml files. never thought to do that. I always thought the begining race stats were given elsewere. I guess i shoulda guessed. Hopefully that will be were i need to look. If i can get this modification working ill let you all know. I was proud of all the work i put in over christmas and extreamly bumbed when it was simply ruined by those hulls. Anyway well see.

oh and ALSO i have been thinking about the idea of getting rid of the miniaturization techs, and i actually reallly like it. I dont know how the AI would respond to everything. we would probably have to delicately up the AI importance value on all the hull techs, but this idea is actually very good, despite my initial ignorant blasting of it. It would definitely make the newer hulls more important then the previous ones. If i can ever get my basic idea put out there id like to mess around with that to see how it affects game play. I think it would probably work well with the star trek concept.

Right so,

The STAR TREK mod is the BEST ever. I hope it continues to be updated. Though, I wonder why the Andorians and the Vulcans are in the game.. mmm. You should put in the Gorn and the Orionians as they were at least independent and played some major roles.

KEEP STAR TREK ALIVE.

Mykuss Here and putting in my 2 cents about the new DA Star Trek Mod...

First I would like to say that I see all the work that was put into the various Screens! Good Work!

Second, Lots more additional ships for the Feds! They being the Standard Yardstick for the different types of ships. I like the addition of the Phoenix! Nice!
Other ships including some that I can't find in most Star Trek Internet Databases, like the Supremus Class and the Evocke Class. Where did you get them? And what are there Stats?

Now my beefs, and this is something that I have brought to the attention of the makers of the Mod along time ago especially about Ship Requests... I see two major gaps in the Federation Ship Line Up!

I am also interested in authenticity according to Star Trek Cannon and Lore as someone said before.

My interest especially is the period concerning the early history of the Human race venturing out into space after ST:First Contact and before ST:Enterprise and the period between ST:Enterprise and ST:TOS was a period of about 181 years in total!

The ship mostly that carried the load for the Earthers in those early days was the Valiant Class spaceship (I haven't found a .x format model for this one yet, but I am still looking). This Ship was launched about a year after "The Phoenix" made her maiden voyage.

Then about 8 years after the Warp 5 capable "NX Class" of ST:Enterprise fame was launched, came the Daedalus Class! This was the premier Cruiser for about 86 years untill the launching of the "Miranda" and the "Constitution" classes in ST:TOS era (this model is available in the .x format).

I would like to see these two ships included in the Federation line up to fill these two gaps mentioned above!

Besides these two omissions, there are enough in the Federation line up to carry the day.

I haven't checked the other races yet but there are scanty lineups of the Romulan and Klingon ships in ST Canon so I mostly applaud the makers using the models from popular games like Armada and BOTF in the mod for Dread Lords.

Just a note*
I also am modding the game to reflect authenticity in gameplay especially concerning travel speeds and time to cover the the 880(270 Parsecs)light year distance in the Gigantic Galaxy Map. Through my calculations, even a Sovereign class couldn't do it in half a year doing Maxium Warp (using the TOS scale and not the TNG scale-the TNG Scale shrinks the Map too much! Maybe not in the new expansion pack with the "Immense" Galaxy").