Ok maybe I should start by asking, does the effect work per unit or just in a general whole?  Because remember QoT attacks multiple enemies in closed, or is the number we see that is adsorb just the accumulation of every vampiric effect into one whole number? Secondly shouldnt the effect be a bit larger when being taken from an enemies demigod?

The Life Steal effect is with each and every hit. So when you, your minions, or your allies attack, you have a % of life steal. It doesnt matter how may hits you can score, with every hit, it should steal a % of hp. Thats in theory at least.

Secondly, You want life steal to have a higher % against enemy demigods?

No not a higher hit percent, but a hair drain with the hit. Right now to me it is the same as hitting a creep. This sadly makes the effect useless in a confrentation against a demigod.

heavenly, the isnt any proc chance. What are you talking about?

With each hit you have a % of life steal every time.

That is not what I'm saying *bangs head against keyboard*

Ok ok how is the amout of life stolen caculated?

Life steal is pretty out of place for QoT.

But Mana steal aura might be pretty cool. In fact that is something that is underrated in the game and would make her pretty scary if everything around her stole enemy mana.

What exactly makes it out of place I mean come on even in her background story she stole the lifeforce of the first human that ever touched her. So what exactly makes it out of place, and dear god if you try to use vampires as an argument..... I am going to blow. Vampires were not the first to do such a thing and they will not be the last.

@ morph

you made good buffs for her "closed form", but she needs also buffs for her "opened form":

my suggestion:

open QoT:

open form :

+ 10% attack speed

+ 10% damage

- 15 % armor (compared to the close form)

Ground Spikes:

increase damage : 250/375/500/625 > 300/450/600/700

armor decreasing effekt: no change

Spike Wave:

increase damage: 350/500/650 > 500/675/850

movement speed decreasing effekt: 15%/20%/25% for 5s > 20%/25%/30% for 5s

Uproot:

damage enemy bulidings: 500/1000/1500/2000 (no change)

repair allied buildings: 500/1000/1500/2000 (new)

these buffs would make an "open build" very attractive....combined with your "close build" changes, QoT would have several effective builds (like TB)

Why exactly are you minusing her armor? It is not like she add exactly any to start with.

its the difference between her opend and closed form, compared with her closed form

in my suggestion, open QoT will have increased attack speed/damage, closed QoT will have increased Armor

heavenly, it is really simple:

Example: you have Entourage I. you hit an enemy creep, minion or demigod for 100 damage. Entourage I gives you 8% life steal, so you steal 8 HP.  100 damage hit / 8% life steal = 8 HP. This applies with each and every hit.

Since this is an Aura, It affects all allies. (minions, demigods, creeps etc) All your allies in a 20 yard range have this life steal.

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Also: Do you want me to change the name of Entourage?

I cant make the life steal adapt depending on each denigod's HP, so that it is stronger vs high HP demis. It is far too complex to do that.

Also: that would be OP imo. I already buffed QoT enough, i think she is fine in closed form for now.

Anyway, I will update to 1.1 soon, and rename Entourage to Nutrient Extraction.

Also, i have added an effect to the life steal aura. it is the exact same effect of Erebus life steal, but i think that it fits QoT a lot better.

DemiCom your ideas are great but i think the improvements might be a little to much and it will make her a bit OP, but I will be happy to try it out if Morpheas implants it.
I totally agree with you that there should be a bigger difference between open and closed form.

I was thinking about if maybe the shield should give a small hp reg like 5 hp/s or something at the end of the skill tree, because i feel like bramble shield is pretty weak in late game.
However, Morpheas life steal might add up for it.

Updated to 1.1

- Changed the name "Entourage" to "Nutrient Extraction", as requested by heavenlysynn.

- Reduced mana cost for Summon Shambler I skill further, to 350 mana.

- Added an effect to the Life Steal Aura of Nutrient Extraction skill for all allies.

I really liked that name from the moment you mentioned it, and so i wanted to add it.

Thanks

Do I keep or delete the old mod?

Also next we should talk about compost, and I think it should increase the damage of spikewave and ground spikes for every enemy fallen for 5 seconds. Also we could try out the mana aura thing using compost, but we may need a required number of enemies killled for that to activate and not be overpowered. If we move entourage complete effect into summon shamblers and give uproot the ability to heal towers than we should remove the boost this skill gives to both for something new at least.

Next Update - Plans to make Open form more viable for QoT builds, and to at least give her buffs in Open, like DemiCom suggested.

just delete it.

thanks

Yea that is why I said lets work on compost next, because we can also make the effects an open form one. The major problem with open for is without defense she will not survive, so her spells will have to outpower most demigods AA, AS, and maybe spells themself. Which is why I say lowering her armor is a no no.

Edit

It is harder to defend than it is to attack, so I say we should lower the cost of all her offensive abilities some.

"I still say lvl 7 up shield needs either a burst damage after it breaks or, a damage reflection mechanism during the 30 seconds it is up." (forgot how to make real quotes :P)

well that is probably a good idea, maybe we should also consider to rise the absorbing?
lvl 7 absorb 1200 damage > absorb 1300 damage +  20% damage reflection
lvl 10 absorb 1450 damage > absorb 1650 damage +  25% damage reflection
(This might be a too big improvement?)
But hey, why not make the shield actually absorb the damage?
lvl 7 absorb 1200 damage > absorb 1300 damage +  15% damage to HP
lvl 10 absorb 1450 damage > absorb 1650 damage +  20% damage to HP

 I think that DG is a bit strange when it come to how things actually works (like abilities and so on)
I mean, I don't really know how this will work if implanted in the game so this is maybe an OP change or just an improvement.
So what do you think?

(wow a lot of posts posted as i wrote this one xD)

Actually I would like to make Open form better than Closed. And ofc there wont be any lowering her armor.

The thing is closed form is meant to build her army, open form destroys the army of others. But we may be making her a bit too defensive with the actual adsorb thing.