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Year Zero Club

Year Zero Club

...when simply winning is not enough!

First off, I couldn't have done this without the inspiration of the Metaverse League and Wyndstar in particular. Kudos to the master!

Now to the matter at hand.

I finally did it. A year zero win! Granted, it was only against 1 AI and on challenging (my current level) but I'm certain that 'tough' wouldn't have been much harder. On the other hand, it was my first attempt at an 'all-labs' and 'lease instead of buy' approach, so I consider myself proud that I could do it at all.

Here is the link to the character, as a proof: http://metaverse.galciv2.com/index.aspx?g=player&id=14517

For all of you, who like me thought that year zero wins are nigh impossible: Try it! Read the posts about it! It is difficult, requires constant micromanagement, but I found it incredibly rewarding to see that victory screen after 25 - 30 turns. Not the way I'd like to play constantly, but as a change of pace, it's a incredible challenge.

And of course, once you've accomplished your first 'Year Zero', post here and rejoice!


As an edit, I now include the current top score.


Attention new players!
Do not be frightened by these scores! Playing a ZYW is actually really easy, and getting a score close to 30000 points takes just a few tries. These games are usually finished in less than 20 minutes, so have at it. Try the tiny ZYWs first, I find them easier and you might get the unique chance to beat players like neilo or Wyndstar.


Current ZYW record holders:

'expert' ZYW - Gigantic


1) 198450 points - MottiKhan

2) 119000 points - Kzinti Patriarch

3) 109500 points - neilo


'classic' ZYW - Tiny

1) 56700points - MottiKhan

2) 40600 points - Kzinti Patriarch / Magnumaniac

3) 38850 points - Wyndstar

 

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Reply #226 Top
KseAlis: TA is much harder than DA/DL, especially because of the lower starting capital and stricter economy in the early game. In addition the AI performs better at the same difficulty setting. To top it off, some key techs (Technology Capital) take longer to research because they are further down the tech tree.
Reply #227 Top
KseAlis: TA is much harder than DA/DL, especially because of the lower starting capital and stricter economy in the early game
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Yes, I just can't afford too much rush buying at the start. But still I'm interesting what is the best score with TA

Reply #228 Top
A new personal record for me:

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Not too far behind Mag :D

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Reply #229 Top
Very nice. :CONGRAT:
Reply #230 Top
And me...and I'll take that 2nd place if you don't mind too KP... ;)



Congrats on the 250 games too mate!!!! :CONGRATS:

Reply #231 Top
Doh...the battle continues!  :HOT:  I'll get that 2nd place back soon...or perhaps first place, hehe. I didnt notice the 250 games actually, but thanks. :D That's 430 games with all my characters combined. I wonder if thats the most games for one player?

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Reply #232 Top
I'd have to say so mate. Between you, TorontoRock, Piznit and myself we have amassed a huge number of games. Pity you guys didn't see the light and join the ToE....;p:LOL:
Reply #233 Top
And too bad you didnt merge the ToE into the Kzinti so you could enjoy being at the top of the Metaverse. ;)

I'm glad you're back in the fight Neilo...I thought maybe you had retired for a while there.  :LOL: 

One reason I didnt notice the 250 games is that I'm using IE , so I havent seen any medals on the forums for a long time. At this point I'm wondering if they are going to bother to fix it.

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Reply #234 Top
And too bad you didnt merge the ToE into the Kzinti so you could enjoy being at the top of the Metaverse
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Im enjoying grinding down the HCH at the moment. We'll have 3rd place soon, and that is as big of an achievement i think since we only have 39 ranked players..... ;)

I'm glad you're back in the fight Neilo...I thought maybe you had retired for a while there.
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Had to take a break for a while mate, those big gig abundantalls really take it out of you. Plus i was working too much, 50 hour weeks were getting too much for me, so i cut down and have that extra bit of free time.

You should use FF mate, or at least try it. I have not used IE in over...geez...must be around 5 years now.

Reply #235 Top
im not one to tell people what kind of browser they should be using...but i do suggest any browser over IE. i personally use Firefox and love it
Reply #236 Top
It's ok SB, KP is a cat, not like they listen to common sense is it now?
;) :LOL:
Reply #237 Top
Did anyone else notice that in TA the AI suspiciously often parks constructors or colony ships in orbit of their planets? I would even suspect a certain someone has noticed the ZYW thing and decided to make it a bit harder...
Reply #238 Top
I have not played enough TA as of yet to take any real notice, i certainly have not yet tried a ZYW on it, though i would not be surprised to hear that what you suggest may be the case. :)
Reply #239 Top
Did anyone else notice that in TA the AI suspiciously often parks constructors or colony ships in orbit of their planets? I would even suspect a certain someone has noticed the ZYW thing and decided to make it a bit harder...
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I havent played TA yet, but on the gigantic ZYWs on DA I notice the enemy civ doing that. My Spore ships always have a weapon on them, so that tactic does not help the AI at all. :) Sometimes they may have a fighter or two also, but I just purchase them with tech.

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Reply #240 Top
But still I'm interesting what is the best score with TA
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I think I can lay claim to that one aswell (for now)...




Yes, the reduced starting fund affects it a lot - and also bonus tile distribution seems to be a quite a bit less generous. However, this is offset by the availability of the immense map size, and the advantages of certain tech trees.

Nice going KP and Neilo - I see you both rapidly closing on the top spot in the regular metaverse, and fighting it out virtually unchallenged in the Altmeta  :CONGRAT: 
Reply #241 Top
Thanks Mag! :) Here's another personal best for me...just below your record. Clawed the 2nd highest away from Neilo at least.  :HOT: 

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A couple more tweaks I want to try and I think I can break the record.

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Reply #242 Top
Definitely an improvement. My last four games are 81200, 86800, 80500, & 87150. I want to break the 90k mark!

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Reply #243 Top
Great effort both you guys. I didn't think that high of a score would be doable in TA Mag, nicely done.

Knocked me done to 3rd heh KP? Good on you mate! :CONGRAT: Impressive run of scores too, is it something specific you have hit upon?

As per our chat in PM about finishing time, i do take the +2 to speed ability plus i upgrade the colony ship and miner to a fast blank hull and a fast constructor. Once in the AI system i build a base (any type, iv'e found no advantage between them) and upgrade the blank to the +1 att spore ship. I do seem to manage the April 8 win quite often and normally with the political cap too.

Still though i have only managed the two +84K games. I'm not sure what is eluding me. I am going to hold off on the Centurion's retirement and play another few games, SB and i have both found the idea of the next medal being at 375 games quite plausible and since i am so close i may as well find out.

Number 3 is as high as that char will go though. I'll be coming for the number 1 spot with BMF. It just doesn't seem right to take #1 with ZYW's. :)
Reply #244 Top
+2 to speed ability plus i upgrade the colony ship and miner to a fast blank hull and a fast constructor. Once in the AI system i build a base (any type, iv'e found no advantage between them) and upgrade the blank to the +1 att spore ship. I do seem to manage the April 8 win quite often and normally with the political cap too. Still though i have only managed the two +84K games. I'm not sure what is eluding me.
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Yep, its better speed. I'm doing pretty mcuh what you mentioned above with the fast constructor & blank cargo hull that I later build a base with, and upgrade the other to a spore ship. I was doing it slightly differently/slower before. Both of my highest games, I also met 1 minor race, so I was able to extend my tech production a bit. I never tried the +speed ability, but maybe I will give it a go. Also, changing the enemy to Thalans helped a tiny bit...one less spore ship to build/upgrade. They often have fighters, but I just buy them off with tech.

SB and i have both found the idea of the next medal being at 375 games quite plausible and since i am so close i may as well find out.Number 3 is as high as that char will go though. I'll be coming for the number 1 spot with BMF. It just doesn't seem right to take #1 with ZYW's.
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Hehe...then when you reach 375, it will be "maybe it's at 400", then 450, then 500... ;) I really think it's probably at 500. It just seems like the logical numerical progression, even though 500 games without the advent of the ZYWs would be extremely improbable. I dont know why they made the progression that way, because I doubt they had such strategies in mind.

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Reply #245 Top
I had thought that it would be before 500 since there is a 500 medal already i figured they would not have had two. It is possible too that the medals are broke and that i have already passed the mark. I have asked Kryo and he has asked, Brad? Cari?, i'm not sure, but no info was passed down.

I could not imagine anyone getting as far as we have with out ZYW's let alone the 500 game mark.
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Reply #246 Top
... Also, changing the enemy to Thalans helped a tiny bit...one less spore ship to build/upgrade. They often have fighters, but I just buy them off with tech...
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Very nice twist, I like that a lot  :D 

Reply #247 Top
As per our chat in PM about finishing time, i do take the +2 to speed ability plus i upgrade the colony ship and miner to a fast blank hull and a fast constructor. Once in the AI system i build a base (any type, iv'e found no advantage between them) and upgrade the blank to the +1 att spore ship. I do seem to manage the April 8 win quite often and normally with the political cap too.
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Interesting... I'm stil not sure what is best, taking the speed and finishing a couple of weeks earlier, or taking eco / morale bonuses.

I actually use different ships for spore / attack, and use the extra space for life support (no need to build a base to extend range then).

In TA, it is much easier to get an 8th April finish due to the increased base ship speed and use of a custom race enabling taking another 1 or 2 point speed boost without sacrificing other things. Also, the availability of a 10, 12, or even 15 point research building on turn one makes a big difference. The 86K game took about 5 minutes, built only 3 planetary improvements, no ships, and no minor races encountered to trade with.

Now, if only it was possible to play an ARC Altarian race in TA with a different tech tree (it isn't, I've tried), things would have been really interesting.
Reply #248 Top
Think you were getting a bit close to the top score there KP, so I tried a couple of different ideas - first one got me 88,900, 2nd...



Should keep you busy for a couple more days  ;p 
Reply #249 Top
Hmmm, prey tell sire, was it econ, tech or speed that got you over the 90K? Im still at a loss to find which one or combination of them is the best route.

Great effort too btw.... :CONGRAT:
Reply #250 Top
Insane. Simply insane. :D