Your constant rudenesss beggars belief. Now, I've been polite, but you obviously neither recognise it nor respect it, so let's try this a different way you uncouth, pretentious bigot.

Oh, I'm so scared. Just remember that you were acting like a prick when I got here, so if you're going to start throwing your own feces I'd imagine it to be second nature to you.

First of all, do you think you are somehow exceptional in your knowledge of the English language. Why do you keep pointing people to a dictionary reference? It's like you just learned that expression "straw man" and now you have to use it every time you speak to someone. Other people do also possess intelligence too you know, you don't own a monopoly.

As often as people commit the fallacy, I'll point it out. If you'd rather not see it mentioned, stop making them. If you're intelligent, you sure hide it well. There are plenty of smart people out there, but I doubt if you're among them.

The quote stands, I will be happy to link it if you like. There is not a single drop of scorn on my part in that other thread, it is in fact a polite, and interesting discussion until you chime in

That's BS and you know it. You had completely misconstrued an earlier statement made by someone else, then attacked the new version as though it were the actual position taken by the previous poster. Maybe you've heard of that before... "straw man" ring a bell? That particular fallacy seems to be your typical way of doing things, so I imagine we'll see a lot more of them in the future.

you chime in with your ungracious, self appreciative statements reporting other's opinions as being totally lacking in worth just like in this thread, while naturally you (and those who agree with you) are somehow innately correct .

I have made logical arguments, and you, being a factory for the manufacture of straw men, respond by saying that I'm saying the correctness of my arguments comes from some trait that I innately possess. That's another straw man, kiddo. Sooner or later you'll learn to stop doing that.

Let's get this perfectly clear shall we.... the things you call "fallacies", "straw men", "drivel", "childish beliefs are other, real human's beliefs.

Every logical fallacy is someone's personal belief. If that alone were enough to excuse them, we wouldn't call anything a fallacy.

I don't know if you feel like you have some moral or intellectual supremacy but you are surely lacking in the empathetic appreciation of diverging opinion.

An opinion is only worth as much as the reason for which one holds it. If someone holds an opinion due to faulty reasoning, their opinion isn't worth much. If I'm superior to you it's only because you've made it so hard to be otherwise.

I, especially have attacked people and told them their gameplay is inferior to mine? Hmmm, now you are hallucinating as well.

Thread link: https://forums.galciv2.com/?ForumID=274&AID=108485

"I dont know Marioflag - you tell me! If I dont feel the need to know this stuff, yet manage to simultaneously play and win and enjoy the game while people trying to figure out what's under the hood start getting frustrated with it because they dont understand...... who is wrong?"

Prick.

Maybe it's just a link between your total lack of appreciation for other people's opinions that makes you misconstrue people's statements as attacks. This IS a discussion forum and people do talk about methods of play. Stating a diverging idea in a polite manner does not constitute an attack.... this probably seems fallacious to you too.

That's not being polite. It's being smarmy. Elsewhere you have misrepresented others' position, which is intellectually dishonest. That's why I think you're a smacktard in the first place.

Oops, your vocabulary slipped... best go look in a dictionary to find your word for next week.... Punk denotes either the music scene and its devotees or, in US slang, a young man who fights and is involved in criminal activities. Are you accusing me of a crime here or of being an adherent to 70's music?

I'm using the word for its connotation, not its denotation. This is accepted practice in the English language, especially when slang is involved.

Let's see if you can garner some respect now for someone who treats you in a like manner to the way you treat others.

You think making an ass of yourself will make me respect you? You think anything you've said here is worthy of respect? Good luck with that, buddy. If flaming made someone worthy of respect we'd all be treating each other like gods.

As the rest of this post is probably going to be like water off a duck's back, let me leave you with one punchy catechism: The quality of your argument is not important as the delivery of it.

I'm not here to be your friend, and your "punchy catechism" is the last resort of people whose arguments suck and they know it. If you're talking about real life, there would be some merit to what you said. But here, you're just another guy on the internet and you were acting like a hotshot when I got here. So sit down, punk, and don't presume to lecture me on my presentation when I'm not here to make a good impression on the likes of you. You're getting what you asked for.

Oh my god, what an arrogant wanker!

And the moral of this story is - please people remind me of this in the future!

Never argue with idiots, first they pull you down to their level, then they beat you with their experience!

The Yor do tend to build faster than the other races and in my last few games they tend to beat me to Galactic wonders, but overall I always see them expand slowly and hardly ever pose a real threat, the Iconians and the Thalans on the other hand always for me tend to build massive empires and arm themselves to the fracking teeth. I managed to convince the Iconians to fight the Thalans but they actually just sat there looking at each other.

The Iconians are research wiz kids and the Thalans they are the sinister threat that you don't see till they have already surpassed you.

J

one thing that does also annoy me, is people who are demanding evidence that they are overpowered yet they cannot produce evidence that they not

saying they have hidden penalty is one thing, if this really exisits, where is the evidence? where is this 'official' discussion


and more inportantly, if it really does exist, it simple should NOT be hidden, its far more inportant to know weakness that it is to know strengths

+25% miniaturization racial bonus is HUGE. I wish I could pick that for my custom race, as I don't even bother building my own military fleet before I research the first two miniaturization techs.

I just don't play against the Yor in my games

LOL

So, in the end, did anyone win the pissing match, or did everyone just get collectively covered in piss?

Come on, guys. We can talk about issues we have with the game, state our opinions (flawed or not), and learn from each other's experiences without resorting to personal attacks.

True debate, in my opinion (which may be incorrect from others' points of view), results in a good discussion where neither party gets angry and insulting while still representing opposing points of view.

Just take a deep breath, relax for a minute, and think about what you want to say. It's a game. These forums exist so that we can support each other, glory in our in-game experiences, support Stardock, and get some extra interaction from the game. We don't need to be attacking each other here.

So, in the end, did anyone win the pissing match, or did everyone just get collectively covered in piss?

I think I'm going to declare piss-covered victory and then go take a shower.

Back on topic, I find that unless I'm trying to be everybody's friend, playing as the Yor is easier than anyone else. Even if I am going for a diplomatic approach, the early game advantages in expansion and ship quality makes it a lot easier to leverage my other advantages for some effective strong-arm diplomacy. Speaking softly isn't quite as important when you've got a top of the line big stick.

i like to be able to take minturisation bonus without being forced down the evil path that yor is fixed too

sure it can be turned around, but i like to start game neutral, get less headache for locals while i prepare myself, then leter press down the good path

I think I'm going to declare piss-covered victory and then go take a shower.

Yeah the asshole there won because I didnt want to keep letting this thread sidetrack into an ego stroking session for him!

one thing that does also annoy me, is people who are demanding evidence that they are overpowered yet they cannot produce evidence that they not

Its semantics. I havent seen any evidence from either side. I've seen opinions on both sides backed up with things from the game. We could quote these things back and forth all day and it isn't going to change. It's based upon opinion *shrugs* some people can accept other peoples opinions, some deem it an attack on their moral fibre. Either way, we're not getting very far in this thread are we? It's like one big spiral back round the same points over and over.

Spearthrower I can tell you one thing if you know where to look, no ability is innate and there's something to do something equal to the Yor or even worst, it's called custom race save basicly same has raceconfig (or something similar I don't know the exact name), but smaller so easier to navigate.

It's true that miniaturization can be strong if you know how to use it and usually AI have presetted customized ships logistic is strong, but all major race have basic logistics bonus, these advantage are not so strong.

How much are you ready to bet that I can do something worst than the Yor and now you'll have very good reasons to complain about that race.

I have a theory the Yor weakness lies in the non-Yor AI they gang up against the Yor collective.

Spearthrower I can tell you one thing if you know where to look, no ability is innate and there's something to do something equal to the Yor or even worst, it's called custom race save basicly same has raceconfig (or something similar I don't know the exact name), but smaller so easier to navigate.

It's true that miniaturization can be strong if you know how to use it and usually AI have presetted customized ships logistic is strong, but all major race have basic logistics bonus, these advantage are not so strong.

How much are you ready to bet that I can do something worst than the Yor and now you'll have very good reasons to complain about that race.

I have a theory the Yor weakness lies in the non-Yor AI they gang up against the Yor collective.

Haha, its all making sense now.
For every good game or mod tehre is, there always seem to be those who has to whine on key elements in the game, only cuz they cant handle the challenge.
So many gamers seem to have forgotten that a good game is never about winning, its about the experience.
(thinkning about my way too many hours at CS )

If the experience doesent suit you, then you shou try another game, or maybe even cheating!

And cheating in this game is so easy, but for some gamers it's against their "ethical code".

Hey Spear, even though we were on opposite sides in this debate, I just wanted to say that I thought you were a classy, intelligent guy.

That may not be said of all people in this thread.

Hey Spear, even though we were on opposite sides in this debate, I just wanted to say that I thought you were a classy, intelligent guy. That may not be said of all people in this thread.

That's very kind and decent of you Mr Spider.... especially as it was only you I argued with in this thread before I got pulled down for being the most ignorantly repugnant imbecile that ever strolled a forum!

Here's to many more (polite) debates!

as a player race the yor are more powerful than any other... as a player race any race is more powerfull than any other.

I found an exploit in the game (I'll not tell you how, it would ruin the game for anyone without selfcontrol) that allowed me to create a custom race with a miniturization as high as I like, the highest I've tried is 100,000%. what most of you don't realize is that every item you can add to ship, with the exception of 'modules' has a 'size modifier'. what this means is that, if you take, say, a lazer V, size 4 and and a tiny ship, capacity 16. now we know that the tech miniturizations increase ship size, a tech min of =25% gives you hull cap of 20 on tiny ships. however, if you are using a rase miniturization of 25% instead of a tech miniturization, you get a hull cap of 20 with a lazer V size of 4.4+(I'm not quite sure after the first decimal) which rounds to 4, but if you take a lazer IV size 5 and add that race miniturization of 25%, you get a hull cap of 20 with a lazerIV size of 5.5+ which rounds to 6. and if you have a race miniturization of 10,000 you get a hull size of 3.200 and a lazer IV of 1170.

so all you who are worried about a massive 25% miniturization, get over it, it doesn't actually make a +1/4 differance.

and the yor's diplomatic penalties MORE than make up for it. It just doesn't seem that way right now becouse the diplomatic system is ez for players to exploit

We should just give all the races the same AI, same starting techs, and same modifiers. That is ultimate balance.
With the Yor were so good, why would they get slammed by me whenever we go to war, despite them having a stronger military?

I play all my games on Intelligent, by the way.

We should just give all the races the same AI, same starting techs, and same modifiers. That is ultimate balance.
With the Yor were so good, why would they get slammed by me whenever we go to war, despite them having a stronger military?

I play all my games on Gifted, by the way.

We should just give all the races the same AI, same starting techs, and same modifiers. That is ultimate balance.
With the Yor were so good, why would they get slammed by me whenever we go to war, despite them having a stronger military?

I play all my games with the full AI, by the way.

Psh.. this is what happens when you press X button because you can't remember the names of the difficulty settings

Why doesnt minuturization bonus make sense? They don't breathe and I'm sure they don't care what temperature it is either, so they save lot of space on life support.

Well, to some degree they'll be able to do better about temperature than species with blood. But they won't be able to take just any temperature. Materials don't operate as well under lower temperatures -- they're more brittle, move slower, etc. I forget what temperature space is supposed to be (4 Kelvin?), but there's a reason ships need to be insulated and heated, even for machines.

But I do agree. Machines wouldn't worry so much about having cramped space.

If the Yor are over-powered, why do they always die first in my games on painful?

And I don't mean to me. Weather I do the job or someone else does, the Yor ALWAYS lose first.

If anything, I find the yor too weak.

This is what I'v noticed.

The Yor while technically better do suffer from some under-the-hood issues. I've edited the race files and played with a lot of settings not usually available. Even with some great boosts to my diplomacy the Yor always suffer from some kind of diplomatic decay with all the races. (This is really noticeable with a smart AI as they tend to gang up on the Yor early, thus voiding their early advantages.)

This seems to be the opposite of the Terran's who despite me removing their diplomatic bonus's they get away with murder.

Penalties are added same way as bonuses, just go to raceconfig.xml , and where you want the negative just insert it as -x% (x being the number of course)

I know that, I was talking about with costs and bonuses, on the race customization screen. I can already make my race uber great by making every bonus 1000%, but that defeats the purpose. If you argue that I want Stardock to do it rather than me choosing what "balances", that's true because I think they would have more time to think about such things than I. Until then I WILL do it myself.