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Just tried that didn't help. Perhaps a Geforce 4 just isn't good enough?

I could be wrong but I dont think it's antivirus or anything like that causing the problem, I dont think it's any external program or anything in the background. The game runs fine, unless I have ships on the screen, even on the biggest maps with 9 other races it plays smooth until the ships start showing up on screen Heres an example, I could build 100's of ships and park them all in one corner of the map, if I focus the camera ther

for the videc cards im using 81.98's and no antivirus or anything running in background. Just bare windows really. WIth about 18 processes running.

Ok I checked the display settings outside the game to make sure aa is set to off, af set to off v-sync is application controlled. performance is on quality. I also tried the game on my other computer and it does the same thing, as soon as theres 20 - 40 ships on screen it's a slideshow. I couldn't tell you the exact framerate because I am just guessing by eye but I would say less than 10. Maybe 5 or 10. Other computer:

I have done some further experiments and found some very interesting results. I started a game on the smallest map with 2 A.I. civs and rare stars rare planets. 1024 X 768 resolution No AA or AF Lowest detail settings, no textures or anything. At first it's smooth. I then built about 30 medium hull ships and parked them all outside earth. = total slideshow maybe 5-10 FPS You can tell that it's

Ok, Thanks for the suggestions. AA is off. and I tried the video settings int the new patch. I turned everything to lowest and restarted the game hoping for the best but it's still the same performance wise. I am running the game on lowest possible settings and getting maybe 5 FPS at most when there is say 5 or so fleets onscreen, if I move the screen over to the corner of the map where there is no ships or anything it's perfectly smooth.<br

I am having some serious performance issues with the game even with the latest patch it runs like crap. if their is a few fleets on screen of 4 ships each, so say 15 or 20 ships total it drops down to 1 FPS. But it doesnt seem to be my fleets causing it, its the A.I.s fleets. I was curious so i built about 50 of my own ships, to see, no slowdown at all but a few AI fleets make the game a slideshow. Any ideas? Also, I dont know if i