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Capping Starts Tomorrow – An End to an Era

Capping Starts Tomorrow – An End to an Era

 

 
 

On Monday, AT&T will begin restricting more than 16 million broadband users based on the amount of data they use in a month.

This means that a majority of U.S. broadband users will now be subject to limits on how much they can do online. You can do more, but it’ll cost you – and how!

“AT&T's new limits - 150 GB for DSL subscribers and 250 GB for UVerse users (a mix of fiber and DSL) - come as users are increasingly turning to online video such as Hulu and Netflix on-demand streaming service instead of paying for cable.” – Ryan Single http://www.wired.com/

AT&T joins Comcast and numerous small ISPs in putting a price on a fixed amount of internet usage.  Your “Unlimited” plans have gone the way of “dial up” which prevented the growth of the Internet to what it is today.

Now they’ve got you by the short and curlies, let’s see you give anything up. Canada just went through this. Stephen Harper (a fine man and Canada’s PM) put a stop to it there, but at a price: Netflix’s quality has dropped severely.

“Comcast's limit, put into place after it got caught secretly throttling peer-to-peer traffic, is 250 GB - which the company says less than 99 percent of users hit. AT&T plans to charge users an extra $10 per month if they cross the cap, a fee that recurs for each 50 GBs a user goes over the cap. And while 150 GB and 250 GB per month might seem like a lot, if you have a household with kids or roommates, it's not too difficult to approach those limits using today's services, even without heavy BitTorrent usage.” – Ibid

For those not accustomed to calculating their bandwidth usage, video streaming and online gaming use much more bandwidth than web browsing or e-mailing. For instance, Netflix ranges from .3 GB per hour to 1.0 for normal resolution movies and up to 2.3 GB per hour for HD content.

“It should noted that U.S. limits are far from the world's worst: Canada's recently imposed restrictions prompted Netflix to give customers there a choice of lower-quality streams to keep their usage down, because users are charged up to $5 per GB that they exceed their cap. Caps are also worse in Australia.” - Ibid

Hello! Reality check ISP’s:

“It's not about the cost of data – bandwidth costs are extremely low and keep falling. Time Warner Cable brought in $1.13 billion in revenue from broadband customers in the first three months of 2011, while spending only $36 million for bandwidth - a mere 3 percent of the revenue. Time Warner Cable doesn't currently impose bandwidth caps or metering on its customers - though they have reserved the right to do so - after the company's disastrous trial of absurdly low limits in 2009 sparked an immediate backlash from customers and from D.C. politicians.”

What’s it really about? It’s about competition. The ISP’s want to sell you movies, games and video. So do Netflix and other third parties like Hulu. The ISP’s would rather have you spending money on their video services. In other words, they want all the marbles.

So what’s the problem? Instead of laying more pipe, the ISP’s want profit for nothing and to squeeze out the competition by causing the quality of the video to drop seriously if they want to stay in the market. Once that happens, guess what the ISP’s ads will say? “Why pay more for quality like this?”.

As new users are added, the problem will only worsen, and you’ll pay more for even less.

The only solution is to lay more pipe. But that would keep things as they are and the ISP’s would get to Utility Company rates instead of reaping the HUGE profits they do from their fiefdoms. As if Utilities are cheap.

“Indeed, the question of who gets to write the rules about the internet's pipes is the major bone of contention in the net neutrality debate, both for terrestrial and mobile data networks. When the new net neutrality rules go into effect, ISPs won't be able to block their online video competition, but there's no rule against doing that with bandwidth caps or tiered usage pricing.” – Ibid

What sucks the most? It’s about meeting Wall Street’s profit growth expectations, not in making things affordable and reasonable. Screw that (and us).

This greed is also detrimental to getting to and keeping first place in economic, scientific, technological, educational and every other growth you can name.

It throttles the “natural resources” needed to build and encourage the growth. For that reason, if not for your own pocketbook you should be on your feet screaming. BTW – more pipe means more jobs locally to lay the pipe.

This just goes to show, yet again, what's good for Wall Street often doesn't translate into what's good for Main Street.

Source: http://www.wired.com/

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Reply #51 Top

150 GB for ten USD it's like a dream in my country... coz even adsl on speed 256kb with 1 gb of traffic per month cost 20 USD....and it's not too much... coz if you are corporate user, 1 gb of traffic became over 500 USD per month even on low speed... So, guys, it's not an end of the world yet....

Reply #52 Top

Look on the bright side, Osama killed himself when he read about this.

Reply #53 Top

which the company says less than 99 percent of users hit.
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I had to read that multiple times.  So Comcast is gigging up to 99% of its users? (up to but not including). :grin:

Reply #54 Top

On another note - I noticed that Verizon is not among the listed.  I guess it is only a matter of time, But many of us forget that it was not that long ago where the Internet was metered for all of us.  We do not need more laws - we need to break up the cable monopoly.  That is the only way we are going to get rates down.

Reply #55 Top

I wonder what all these greedy bastards are going to do then... when growth is zilch and profits are down because greed-pricing took the ordinary folk out of the purchasing equation. A pay packet has only goes so far for the average family... and once it's gone it's gone... something these corporate parasites ignore and care nothing about.
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This is what I find curious the most. It's as if they were unaware of the negative affect this will eventually have. I fond it hard to believe they can't figure that they will eventually lose customers once people find themselves unable to keep up with these price changes, caps and limits. But it just seems like they are either ignorant to this posibility or confident that somehow we will find a way to keep paying for this.

To be honest, considering how the sales of iPhones, iPads, Pc and console games and other electronics that have been coming out in the past 2 years have been high while the economic situation of the country is supposedly screwed up, I won't be surprised that people will simply pay higher prices for internet and the pay for the extra GBs once they reach their limits. because our society doesn't believe it can fight against Big companies or the Gov't we may as well be rules under dictatorship. It's what everyone seems to want anyways.

Reply #56 Top

If they all collude to cap, which is happening- then they don't need to worry about losing customers.

There are laws on the books about this- but you can't win a case about it, and it's so so hard to prove.

 

 

Reply #57 Top

You'd have thought that market leaders have never tried to fuck us all over before... :rolleyes:

Reply #58 Top

Quoting Alstein, reply 56
If they all collude to cap, which is happening- then they don't need to worry about losing customers.

There are laws on the books about this- but you can't win a case about it, and it's so so hard to prove.
End of Alstein's quote

Given that cable is for the most part a monopoly (each area has only one provider), I do not think they need to collude.  They opened up the phone lines, I think they should do the same with the cable lines.

Reply #59 Top

Quoting Dr, reply 58
Quoting Alstein, reply 56If they all collude to cap, which is happening- then they don't need to worry about losing customers.

There are laws on the books about this- but you can't win a case about it, and it's so so hard to prove.

Given that cable is for the most part a monopoly (each area has only one provider), I do not think they need to collude.  They opened up the phone lines, I think they should do the same with the cable lines.
End of Dr's quote

^ In absolute agreement with you, Dr Guy.

Reply #60 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 59

Quoting Dr Guy, reply 58Quoting Alstein, reply 56If they all collude to cap, which is happening- then they don't need to worry about losing customers.

There are laws on the books about this- but you can't win a case about it, and it's so so hard to prove.

Given that cable is for the most part a monopoly (each area has only one provider), I do not think they need to collude.  They opened up the phone lines, I think they should do the same with the cable lines.

^ In absolute agreement with you, Dr Guy.
End of DrJBHL's quote

The problem here comes from inadequate definitions of a monopoly in our federal government. Most monopoly and anti-trust laws were written in late 19th century, and require near universal monopolistic conditions. For instance, AT&T and Verizon both can be considered local monopolies in so much as they have built a system in which they do not directly compete in most markets for home services ( mobile services are a distinctly different scenario), however, these two companies are considered to be in competition. The primary reason for this consideration of competition is the lack of evidence that these organization have actually colluded to create such localized monopolies, and in general, we should consider that such collusion has not actually taken place. Opening up cable to multiple providers would most likely result in a similar situation as the phone providers where in they continue to hold de facto monopolies in particular areas while only competing to create such a monopolistic state in highly lucrative markets.

Reply #61 Top

Quoting kenata, reply 60
<snipped down but all good>
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As my snipping says, your explanation is very good.  While not every market has competition in the phone industry, most customers do have a choice.  So in Greenville, Va., you may not have a choice, in Roanoke va. you do (and Roanoke is 10 times the size).  The argument you make is the same one the postal service makes and it is valid.  if we leave the big markets to be plucked by competitors, the smaller markets will bear the burden.  But that is already happening.  Most small markets do not have a cable provider (it is not economical).  So like the Rural Electrical Coops (and phones) of the early 20th century, the government is subsidizing the rural markets as well.  IBEC is one of those initiatives.  Some forget about the phone fee that was to pay for the wiring of schools and libraries in the 90s. E-Rate.  That has succeeded completely, although the tax remains.  It would be more beneficial putting that tax towards the same type of Coops (and in some cases municipalities already have gotten a jump on this) for broadband.

The Coops do not make rural phone or electricity cheaper than the metro areas.  it does make it affordable.  So the same would occur here.  Living the dream life in rural America does come at a price, but it will not be one that is unaffordable.  Cable companies, through their monopolistic pricing strategies, are going to kill the golden goose.  But there is no gain without pain, and the pain is upon us.  Caps.

Reply #62 Top

Quoting Dr, reply 61
So in Greenville, Va., you may not have a choice, in Roanoke va. you do (and Roanoke is 10 times the size). The argument you make is the same one the postal service makes and it is valid. if we leave the big markets to be plucked by competitors, the smaller markets will bear the burden. But that is already happening.
End of Dr's quote

While I do agree that rural America ends up pay a hefty price in all of this, urban America is not immune. An area such as Roanoke, VA might have multiple choices in phone providers, but I wonder how services compare between carriers in the area. The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, an area some 20 times the size of Roanoke, does offer competitive choice in providers, but those providers do not provide competing levels of services in most areas. While all phone providers can offer similar servers with respect to base telephony, specifically local phone service, services, such as internet access or television service, are drastically different depending on the specific area in which you live. Thus, one has choice in purchasing local phone service, but to choose a provider that does not have competitive advantage in other aspects would limit access to those other services, particularly internet services.

Reply #63 Top

Quoting kenata, reply 62
I wonder how services compare between carriers in the area.
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I don't. All of them will bleed you dry. You'll continue to be charged whatever the cable co. wants because for internet and tv you are in their fiefdom without competition.

That is what has to change as well as expanding the infrastructure and the best way to do that is to bring in competition.

 

Reply #64 Top

The core concept of net neutrality was to maintain that the internet "belongs to the public" and thus keep the companies from inventing ways to bar and charge for access to it as "service products".

The reluctance of U.S. legislators to refuse to do anything about it--including the Democratic party which "verbally" supports it but has done nothing to make it happen--shows where the trend will head.

If you don't check corporate business they never check themselves.

Reply #65 Top

Local monopolies for cable companies is partly the fault of local governments.  They make franchise agreements with the cable companies which grant the companies a local monopoly in the city in exchange for the city taking a cut of the profits.  Cities could decline to sign these agreements and open up the city to full competition, but then they'd lose a reliable source of income.

Reply #66 Top

I really can't see what all the pissing and moaning is about.

I started my net life on a 33.6k dialup that was 'unlimited' provided you pay $2 an hour to be connected......

Balance the data thru-put from that with what DSL gives these days and work out what your next Torrent would cost....

Stop whining.

It's about bloody time people paid for what they get as a service....;p

 

The fucking idiot-providers gave you too much of a 'free' lunch, you cheapskates.

 

 

....and yes, I'm STILL capped....always have been....one way or another.

Reply #67 Top

Sounds like someone owns stock  :thumbsdown: .

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Quoting myfist0, reply 67
Sounds like someone owns stock
End of myfist0's quote

I may as well...for the amount of money I spend on net access.

Currently it's ADSL2 at 25gig a month...about $80 [that's now around $85 US] .....  if I go over the 25 I'm throttled back to dialup speed.

If you're paying more then go for it...spit and moan.....;p

Reply #69 Top

I spent a little time reading up in the AT&T forums -- apparently this is AT&T's way of cracking down on people running businesses out of their home and using residential net service.  The official AT&T moderators, when asked "how can you impose this cap, and then have the 'my usage' feature broken for U-Verse customers" answered "don't worry, when you go over your limit, we'll notify you."  o_O

Reply #70 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 68

Quoting myfist0, reply 67Sounds like someone owns stock

I may as well...for the amount of money I spend on net access.

Currently it's ADSL2 at 25gig a month...about $80 [that's now around $85 US] .....  if I go over the 25 I'm throttled back to dialup speed.

If you're paying more then go for it...spit and moan.....
End of Jafo's quote

I also remember the old 28.8 days of yesteryear, but that was a very different internet. The issue is not really about specific limitations on service, but about how such caps impose artificial limitations on technological advancement. Looking at your case in particular, your limitations force you to make significant choices about what kinds of information you access and how that information can affect your life. Thus, new internet-based business enterprises which desire to enlist you as a customer must not only compete directly with comparable products, but must also compete with all internet-based content. In fact, this borders on a class based issue, as such restrictions effect the poor far more than the rich. For instance, a middle class individual may be able to only afford X amount of usage at consumer rates, while a wealthier individual can afford some X+Y amount of usage or simply pay the even higher rates for commercial grade usage amounts. Ultimately speaking, my ISP does not have caps yet, nor are there currently plans for specific dates at which such caps would occur. However, I find it appalling that such caps appalling and believe that the free flow of information is essential for the further technological development of the human race.

Reply #71 Top

Why are CDs dying?  Artificial "caps" imposed by RIAA.  iTunes and such are much more convenient and you get exactly what you pay for.  in other words, there is a paradigm shift going on (Just as it was from 78s to LPs to tape to CDs).  And the old guard is trying their damnedest to stop it because their golden goose is getting gutted.

Anyone heard about IBEC?  It is broadband over power cables.  Still rough around the edges, but it does create a new player in the game, and one that does not mind "bandwidth" since their speeds are no match for Cable and DSL - YET.

What AT&T, Comcast, TimeWarner and the rest are doing is killing gutting the goose.  Short term, they will reap rich rewards.  In 10 years, they will be deader than a doornail, or retreating faster than napoleon from Moscow.

AOL is dead, but at one time it had almost 20% of the internet market! (Much smaller market in those days).  I look forward to saying the same thing about Comcrap in the future.  They are failing to realize that they do not have a monopoly only because IBEC is not really competitive yet.  The key word being YET.

Reply #72 Top

I have to agree with Jafo. I don't see the big deal. I have been a Comcast cable user for some time now and have been capped all that time. The capping has never presented a issue for me.

Reply #73 Top

Again it is hard for me to sympathize here. I would be greatful to have what most of you have. I just downloaded a 6 mb file and it took 20 minutes. That is everyday, 7 days a week. 5 GB's a month is severly limiting. I think we have all been spoiled. I had Comcast before moving to the Boonies and would give anything. almost, to have that speed again and I think 10 GB's would be enough for what I do!

Reply #74 Top

Quoting kona0197, reply 72
I have to agree with Jafo. I don't see the big deal. I have been a Comcast cable user for some time now and have been capped all that time. The capping has never presented a issue for me.
End of kona0197's quote

The internet is a viable alternative to Cable for TV.  But Throttled?  It then may not be.  Like a flood however, the fact that bandwidth is getting cheaper by the day, the cable companies will either cave or become the latest betamax.

Reply #75 Top

I'm just concerned that we'll be subsidizing the dinosaurs- as they'll find it cheaper to buy votes in Congress then improve their service.

 

They're already doing this at the state level.