Capping Starts Tomorrow – An End to an Era

 

 
 

On Monday, AT&T will begin restricting more than 16 million broadband users based on the amount of data they use in a month.

This means that a majority of U.S. broadband users will now be subject to limits on how much they can do online. You can do more, but it’ll cost you – and how!

“AT&T's new limits - 150 GB for DSL subscribers and 250 GB for UVerse users (a mix of fiber and DSL) - come as users are increasingly turning to online video such as Hulu and Netflix on-demand streaming service instead of paying for cable.” – Ryan Single http://www.wired.com/

AT&T joins Comcast and numerous small ISPs in putting a price on a fixed amount of internet usage.  Your “Unlimited” plans have gone the way of “dial up” which prevented the growth of the Internet to what it is today.

Now they’ve got you by the short and curlies, let’s see you give anything up. Canada just went through this. Stephen Harper (a fine man and Canada’s PM) put a stop to it there, but at a price: Netflix’s quality has dropped severely.

“Comcast's limit, put into place after it got caught secretly throttling peer-to-peer traffic, is 250 GB - which the company says less than 99 percent of users hit. AT&T plans to charge users an extra $10 per month if they cross the cap, a fee that recurs for each 50 GBs a user goes over the cap. And while 150 GB and 250 GB per month might seem like a lot, if you have a household with kids or roommates, it's not too difficult to approach those limits using today's services, even without heavy BitTorrent usage.” – Ibid

For those not accustomed to calculating their bandwidth usage, video streaming and online gaming use much more bandwidth than web browsing or e-mailing. For instance, Netflix ranges from .3 GB per hour to 1.0 for normal resolution movies and up to 2.3 GB per hour for HD content.

“It should noted that U.S. limits are far from the world's worst: Canada's recently imposed restrictions prompted Netflix to give customers there a choice of lower-quality streams to keep their usage down, because users are charged up to $5 per GB that they exceed their cap. Caps are also worse in Australia.” - Ibid

Hello! Reality check ISP’s:

“It's not about the cost of data – bandwidth costs are extremely low and keep falling. Time Warner Cable brought in $1.13 billion in revenue from broadband customers in the first three months of 2011, while spending only $36 million for bandwidth - a mere 3 percent of the revenue. Time Warner Cable doesn't currently impose bandwidth caps or metering on its customers - though they have reserved the right to do so - after the company's disastrous trial of absurdly low limits in 2009 sparked an immediate backlash from customers and from D.C. politicians.”

What’s it really about? It’s about competition. The ISP’s want to sell you movies, games and video. So do Netflix and other third parties like Hulu. The ISP’s would rather have you spending money on their video services. In other words, they want all the marbles.

So what’s the problem? Instead of laying more pipe, the ISP’s want profit for nothing and to squeeze out the competition by causing the quality of the video to drop seriously if they want to stay in the market. Once that happens, guess what the ISP’s ads will say? “Why pay more for quality like this?”.

As new users are added, the problem will only worsen, and you’ll pay more for even less.

The only solution is to lay more pipe. But that would keep things as they are and the ISP’s would get to Utility Company rates instead of reaping the HUGE profits they do from their fiefdoms. As if Utilities are cheap.

“Indeed, the question of who gets to write the rules about the internet's pipes is the major bone of contention in the net neutrality debate, both for terrestrial and mobile data networks. When the new net neutrality rules go into effect, ISPs won't be able to block their online video competition, but there's no rule against doing that with bandwidth caps or tiered usage pricing.” – Ibid

What sucks the most? It’s about meeting Wall Street’s profit growth expectations, not in making things affordable and reasonable. Screw that (and us).

This greed is also detrimental to getting to and keeping first place in economic, scientific, technological, educational and every other growth you can name.

It throttles the “natural resources” needed to build and encourage the growth. For that reason, if not for your own pocketbook you should be on your feet screaming. BTW – more pipe means more jobs locally to lay the pipe.

This just goes to show, yet again, what's good for Wall Street often doesn't translate into what's good for Main Street.

Source: http://www.wired.com/

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Reply #1 Top

They said it was comming.  Its a ripoff but not much ya can do about it.  Even the oil companies are advertising to not raise the tax on them even though they make 20 billion in profit a quarter.X(

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That is an absolutely pathetic state of affairs.  Pure capitalism or pure socialism doesn't work - you really need a base of capitalism with some government intervention on important things.  As far as I see it, extremes of anything are bad news.  The US corporations and the US government seem to have chosen welfare for the few rather than the many.

Best regards,
Steven.

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Then screw 'em! I don't need their cable and don't intend to use it. There are hotspots I can use that don't charge a dime. I'll be damned if I'll let those greedy bastards get one dime of my money. No cellphone, no cable, no nuthin'! If I want to watch a movie or listen to music I know where the stores are. As far as I'm concerned they can take their greed and shove it!

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I've been dealing with a bandwidth cap for the last year. I can use 6GB a day. It's very frustrating especially if you want to use digital distributed software or stream movies/television. Most of my digital software downloads are done at work and the moved home using an external hard drive.

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 2
As well as their "Corporate Welfare"  http://www.ctj.org/pdf/energy20110429.pdf   

And the deficit soars... why the heck we put up with it?    
End of DrJBHL's quote

Yeah, but what they evidently don't realize is that if they do this, the gas companies will just raise prices more, and lots of jobs will be lost. What we need is for oil prices NOT to be regulated by greedy speculators at the stock exchanges.  I think that the price of oil should be regulated by the federal government plain and simple, AND cut the tax breaks too! I know prices may go up some, and some people may lose their jobs, but it is better than the entire world being held hostage by greedy people with no morals!

Reply #7 Top

Capitalism, communism, socialism, nazism, ...isms. I hate 'em all.(\B):vulcan:(\B)

We are ruled by the oligarchs. Read Clinton's mentor's tome (Carrole Quigley).

We started out as serfs. Our intelligentsia invented high technology. Now it is being used against us.

We end up once more as serfs.:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

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If the 'welfare' is a subsidy in disguise, it isn't a very good one: We're paying at the pump as well as with taxes. I think the sooner we get away from oil the better for everyone and the planet as well. Hell, if you need to pollute, pay a price. I also think that letting the gov't.'s nose under the tent isn't too great an idea. Everything needs shrinking, not expanding. There's got to be a way to turn the food faucet down on OPEC to let them know we want oil prices down not up, and that we're none too pleased about the effect they have on our economy.

As for the ISP's, maybe the gov't. should make licensing a bit easier to allow a lot more competition into the arena... and if the prices don't come down, to force them down.

And maybe stop wasting money fighting "wars" that only kill and maim our children and polarize the indigenous peoples more against us. If we're forced into a war, let it be one Congress declares based on truth and inimical action against the people of America or our allies.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110430/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama

 

 

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My internet is capped at 5GB a month. Try staying below that! On top of that the connection is so bad it might as well be dial up. Streaming videos? Forget it. It takes 15 minutes to watch a 2 minute clip. The only thing available out here is Cricket wireless, Hughs Net satelite and Wild Blue satellite which are 3 times the price of what wireless is and they only allow you 7 GBs a month. I say it is pure greed and I wish they would further develop doing internet over the wiring in your home. Needless to say I am severly limited in what I can do daily to even stay anywhere near what I am allowed.x_x X|

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Sucks to be in America then :P

Thought now that I say that, the moment they get away with it on your side of the pond they'll try it here in Britain...

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 2
...why the heck we put up with it?    
End of DrJBHL's quote

 

Because, we keep electing cats, and no mouse ever runs for election.

 http://youtu.be/16Kx0QlksZQ

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I'm in Ontario (Canada) and we've had caps for awhile. My cable provider has different packages going form 2GB/month to 175/GB.  The highest I could stomach (barely) paying for was 60/GB and that costs $45 + modem rental. If I went over the limit, I'd have to pay $2/GB. Because of the caps, I haven't bothered trying out NetFlix etc.

 

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Quoting StevenAus, reply 3
That is an absolutely pathetic state of affairs.  Pure capitalism or pure socialism doesn't work - you really need a base of capitalism with some government intervention on important things.  As far as I see it, extremes of anything are bad news.  The US corporations and the US government seem to have chosen welfare for the few rather than the many.

Best regards,
Steven.
End of StevenAus's quote

 

This isn't pure capitalism.  It's crony capitalism/collusion.


In North Carolina, cities get so fed that they started doing it themselves.  What does Time warner do about it?  Buy the state legislature (they're used to being bought- they're as corrupt as the UNC football team) to get future municipal broadband projects banned.


Really, I don't think things are going to change until we see some real radical left in this country.

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Too bad the people in any given area don't (have the moxie to) organize themselves into a collective, and then talk with the cable company/isp about prices. It's a lot harder to say "get lost" to 1,000,000 customers or more and still have a business the next day.

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Quoting karmat, reply 12
I'm in Ontario (Canada) and we've had caps for awhile. My cable provider has different packages going form 2GB/month to 175/GB.  The highest I could stomach (barely) paying for was 60/GB and that costs $45 + modem rental. If I went over the limit, I'd have to pay $2/GB. Because of the caps, I haven't bothered trying out NetFlix etc.

 
End of karmat's quote

I would consider myself lucky to have 60GB's for $45.00! I am paying that for my measly 5GB's! I really cannot afford that but you cannot even apply or find jobs anymore without having internet access.X(

Reply #16 Top

Frankief, you need to file a complaint with the FCC. These people weren't alloted bandwidth to abuse citizens. Maybe hang some posters in Grocery windows around town, setup a few times and dates for petition signings and invite the local papers. :)

Sock it to 'em, baby! 

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To K10W3...

   I just saw the video you put there of Mouseland and I loved it. I agree with how it applies here... but also because I am a REAL CAT LOVER!!! Notice that in the picture that Valentine is all black. My two other cats are both black and white... just like in the video. Lol. Thanks for sharing the video!!! I really enjoyed it!!!

                                                                                      :meow: The Cats Meow Mix :meow:

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Quoting The, reply 19
To K10W3...

   I just saw the video you put there of Mouseland and I loved it. I agree with how it applies here... but also because I am a REAL CAT LOVER!!! Notice that in the picture that Valentine is all black. My two other cats are both black and white... just like in the video. Lol. Thanks for sharing the video!!! I really enjoyed it!!!

                                                                                      The Cats Meow Mix
End of The's quote


Oh, so you voted for both the black and the white cats!

Reply #21 Top

Capping internet is a terrible situation, and one that will have incredible ramifications across the entire American landscape. While several articles have focused on Netflix as being highly effected, this would also have serious ramifications for many industries. While companies like netflix can easily use over a GB of data for its videos, digital games distribution can require many times this amount for the distribution of one title, not including the additional bandwidth required for verification of those products ( which is comparably miniscule). For instance, an individual seeking to purchase Shogun 2 Total War via Steam has to download 15 GB worth of data each time they wish to install this application. This effect on game distribution is only one particular industry, though it is applicable to other media distribution as itunes. One must always remember the following words from the Supreme Court in the opinion on Charles River Bridge v Warren Bridge:

The object and the end of all Government is to promote the happiness and prosperity of the community by which it is established, and it can never be assumed that the Government intended to diminish its power of accomplishing the end for which it was created; and in a country like ours, free, active, and enterprising, continually advancing in numbers and wealth, new channels of communication are daily found necessary both for travel and trade, and are essential to the comfort, convenience, and prosperity of the people. A State ought never to be presumed to surrender this power because, like the taxing power, the whole community have an interest in preserving it undiminished, and, when a corporation alleges that a State has surrendered, for seventy years, its power of improvement and public accommodation in a great and important line of travel, along which a vast number of its citizens must daily pass, the community have a right to insist, in the language of this Court,"that its abandonment ought not to be presumed in a case in which the deliberate purpose of the State to abandon it does not appear." The continued existence of a Government would be of no great value if, by implications and presumptions, it was disarmed of the powers necessary to accomplish the ends of its creation, and the functions it was designed to perform transferred to the hands of privileged corporations. The rule of construction announced by the Court was not confined to the taxing power, nor is it so limited in the opinion delivered. On the contrary, it was distinctly placed on the ground that the interests of the community were concerned in preserving, undiminished, the power then in question; and whenever any power of the State is said to be surrendered or diminished, whether it be the taxing power or any other affecting the public interest, the same principle applies, and the rule of construction must be the same. No one will question that the interests of the great body of the people of the State would, in this instance, be affected by the surrender of this great line of travel to a single corporation, with the right to exact toll and exclude competition for seventy years. While the rights of private property are sacredly guarded, we must not forget that the community also have rights, and that the happiness and wellbeing of every citizen depends on their faithful preservation.

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i lived with download limits for years here in australia. The so called "unlimited" internet deals here while technically true were plans that slowed down your speed once you hit a certain amount of downloaded data. One plan i had was for 100Gb a month and had peak and off peak times. The peak time was 40Gb between 9am and 4am and then 60Gb between 4am and 9am. which was pathetic. now i am on a true unlimited 8mps/384k plan with nno limits at all for $70 a month. I took years for plans like this to happen and as far as i know the coompany i am with is the only one in australia that offers it. I think this is cooperation between the government and the movie/music industry to combat piracy. 

Reply #23 Top

Okay, so this is just AT&T at the moment, correct? 

We have DSL through Qwest and haven't heard anything from them about a cap, but I'm sure it will be coming. :S

Reply #24 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 16
Frankief, you need to file a complaint with the FCC. These people weren't alloted bandwidth to abuse citizens. Maybe hang some posters in Grocery windows around town, setup a few times and dates for petition signings and invite the local papers.

Sock it to 'em, baby! 
End of DrJBHL's quote

Not trying to be funny here, but our population is a whooping 958 people, we don't have a grocery store other than the little country store next to the one motel which has outrageous prices but since the next closest is 10 miles, with the price of gas, sometimes it is cheaper to buy there if all you need is bread and milk! We do have a Tomahawk Truckstop,  but their prices are higher. Most everybody out here has satellite but I can't swing the $149.00 installation fee. The monthly fee is the same as what I am paying now. I am going into the big city, Denver, on Tuesday to do a drug and physical test for possible employment with Chrysler Motors, so keep all of your fingers and toes crossed for me. It has been a year and 3 months since my layoff and we've trying to live off of my husbands SSI. I know there are others who are worse off than us and sometimes I wonder how they keep hanging in there.:meow:

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More good news, folks.

"The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that AT&T - and indeed, any company - could block class-action suits arising from disputes with customers and instead force those customers into binding arbitration. The ruling reverses previous lower-court decisions that classified stipulations in AT&T's service contract which barred class arbitration as 'unconscionable'."

Great. Time to realize that what we believed in the '60's was right. Too bad we pretty much all joined the system.