Thanks Mumble for the recap!

Due to the new forum formats, I am strongly suggesting any players that still have games out to get them in as soon as possible to mitigate any possible issues that may arise.

Good point.

OK I'll submit the following game.

Nice game, Mumble!

Thanks   

Reminders of things that are currently on-going in the MVL.

The Surrenders Vote is still up and running at the Core; we've had a decent turn out to vote. If you haven't yet, please do soon.

Neilo announced his upcoming resignation as Commissioner of the MVL. Mumblefratz, Iztok Bitenc, Wyndstar, Ghostwes, FireBender, and Silverbeacher were nominated to replace him. As of today Ghostwes declined his nomination. FireBender, Mumblefratz, and Silverbeacher accepted the nomination. Iztok Bitenc and Wyndstar have not responded.

According to what I have for players, there will have to be shuffling around of players as some teams will have 6 players and others only 4 (eg Bladerunners have 6, Villainy will have 4). As such maybe this isn't a bad time to look at the Draft, especially since Neilo is still Commissioner to help mediate.

As for rules, we still need to decide the course of action to take on submission time/rankings. We had talked about it a little bit but never came to any conclusions. I'd like a formal decision for Round 7.

Round 6 ends tonight at MIDNIGHT EST (the time on the Forums). So far I have no submissions from TGE, C-Mac, and Haart. I have received preliminary scores from Mumble and Neilo. Scores will be finalized sometime tomorrow I'm sure.

We are still working on incorporating into the AltMeta. As a friendly reminder to Mumble, we are waiting on a write up. If there is anything anyone can do to help, please let us know.

If I missed anything, please let me know so we can add it to the agenda list.

I guess I'll be one of the late minute submitters.
Well here it is, finished today in under an hour, which truely amazed me.

Alignment:Pond Scum
Years:3
Victory Type: Military Conquest
Score:11200
Difficulty:Tough
Size:Tiny
Version:v1.80e Dark Avatar (Dark Avatar)
Date Submitted:2/19/2008 3:31:50 PM

Anyways, I must inform you all that I will be leaving the MVL untill about mid-May, if not later. I enjoyed being part of it, and I hope to return soon.

Here is my submission for Team C



Not very impressive, but I will be able to do better for round 7

Thanks TGE and hope to see you back soon.

TGE had mentioned this to me in a PM so this wasn't a surprise. He mentioned a very heavy school load as the reason. Also unless Bluntblade shows up at the last minute (he actually hasn't been seen in close to 2 months) then the A Team is down to four players.


We can certainly revisit this and no formal decision was made but it did seem to me at the time that the consensus was that the current rank order was fine and in fact preferable for now just because of ease of calculation. I thought we would simply leave this "as is" until we move to the AltMeta where time might be preferable since it should be as easy enough to do time as it would be rank order via software.

Again this is merely my subjective rememberance of what was discussed but I see no compelling reason to change now unless there's a big demand for a change.


Things just seem to get in the way. I was going to get right to it after I finished my last gigantic game but then it wouldn't submit because an error 12 which kind of bummed me out and instead of working on the AltMeta I started another gigantic game which is the subject of an AAR that people seem interested in so I would just as soon continue it.

I know this may sound like the dog ate my homework but I also felt that adding moving to the AltMeta along with electing a new commissioner along with perhaps a draft as well just seemed like too much to deal with all at once.

As far as a draft I still favor a minimal adjustment of as few folks as possible to even up the teams. Although this is tentative it looks to me that by the end of the round Team A will end up with 4 members, Team B with 5, Team C with 7, Team D with 4 and Team E with 5. This is simply based on those who submitted a game this round (so far) minus TGE that just announced he would be gone until May.

The simplest solution would be for Team C to give up one person each to Team A and Team D and then everyone has 5. The logical people for Team C to give up are the two new players that they just received during round 6, Idazen and Lethrin, who could simply be randomly moved to A and D and then only Team C would need to get a new password for their private forum.


Yes, we have had a decent turnout contrary to my initial fears. I want to thank everyone for participating.


I concur that this is the current state of the elections. I had hoped to see neilo take this issue by the reins and drive it to completion since it's inappropriate for someone like myself or Silver or any of the other candidates to do this ourselves. So far I have pretty much driven the previous votes but like I said this one is not my place to do.

At least we should have some kind of timetable as to when this might occur so that we can decide some of these other pending issues.

Actually one thing we need is a policy on what to do with ties related to team bonus points. We were lucky and haven't had one yet but we actually came very close to this happening this round. I would tend to say those ties should probably both get the points but some teams seem particularly adept at manipulating ties for the best effect (you know who you are ).

Well, its an honor to be nominated, but I must also decline. My schedule is currently too busy to give this post the time it deserves. I wish the new commissioner the best of luck.

Thanks again for thinking of me,
~ Wyndstar

  

Don't fear Mumble, i was just waiting till the end of the round. At the end of this round i will call nominations for the position of commissioner closed and i will post details of the election.

I think we need to do that first so that we can start the new round with the new commish in place.

I do think we will need a draft this round. We have another new players who has recently posted in the sign up thread plus the return of playjeff to the MVL as well. And since this round will make season 2 the same length as season 1 we may as well get it done now and have it over with so that the new commish can take the reigns of what will hopefully be a longer season 3.

If a draft is not viewed as needed just now by the players, so be it, the majority is always adhered to, but now is as good a time as any.

I just posted in the sign up thread. I figured it would be too late to be entered on a team for this one, but I played a quick game this evening anyway and this is my game submission to show I'm actually intending to be in the league :)(required if I understood the sticky MVL thread). If this game would be useful for one of the teams,please feel free to retroactively assign me to a team.

I apologize for not knowing how to post screen shots; the game is the only I've submitted under the JustinSane5 account. Statistics are as follows: 0 years, Suicidal, Military Conquest, Tiny, Very Evil, 12,600.

I agree that we should have a draft before the next round.

As for ties for team bonus points, I think breaking ties as we do for individuals should also be done for teams.

Sentient species taste better...

Fine. I agree if we do need one it's best to get it over with prior to elections.

One point I do want to make is that this should not be construed as setting the precendent of having a draft every 3 rounds. They only precendent set is that when the numbers dictate it we hold a draft and reorg. Like any decision this is always open to change anytime the league wants to do so.

Also using the same tiebreak crtieria for teams that we do for individuals makes perfect sense to me. In this case I would take that to mean that any ties for Team Speed bonus or Team Score bonus would be decided by the two teams relative performance in the "other" bonus criteria.

One other point is that we (by we I mean Kzinti and I) did seem to agree on my post #271 summmary of MVL voting rules. Also no one has mentioned any objection to that summary. I think one could reasonably conclude that this constitues league wide consensus on the matter.

However, I am a little loath to make such a global assumption without some discussion about when it is OK to do this versus when a vote is required. Certainly the voting rules cover that a vote is required once someone makes a motion to vote on something that is seconded by two people.

I also like to avoid bureaucracy where possible but clearly there should be some kind of controls on the process of simply posting some proposal and then after some unspecified period of time (in this case 5 days) declaring that since on one objected this is now an official rule of the league.

Since we have never done this before I would like to hear at least a few folks weigh in and say that they're OK with the voting rules as listed in my reply #271 of this thread.

Also it might me nice for folks to weigh in with an opinion about the process of "assuming" a league wide consensus.


Great.

Hi!

Awww, I don't think I'm the right person for such a job. I lack background info on the MVL, and my stomach flopped when I've read I'm nominated. Please please exclude me from that nomination!

BR, Iztok

Actually I was very impressed by that. Kudos to Elwood and FB.

I mean Ferrel’s tie of Iztok was impressive as well but to manufacture an "extra" bonus point by tying for fourth place speed was genius. I guess most credit goes to the tie-er as opposed to the tie-ee, so hats off to you FB. Excellently played.

Speaking of ties have the rounds results been posted yet?

Certainly. As i had said before, my goal was to have each season be no less than 5 rounds. Of course that is always up for debate but 3 rounds is not nearly enough time to flesh out a champion.

After looking through the player list and this post of mumble's....



I find that i'm not sure we need a draft after all. With the addition of JustinSane4, we have but only move one player from team c and place Playjeff, JustinSane4 and the removed player. The time and confusion the draft will create is not worth it unless we are creating a new team. Which in this case we will not be.

I know i am contradicting myself as i too thought we needed a draft but i feel a draft should only take place when we are creating a new team. With that in mind and since i am drunk with power in my last few days as commish i do the following.

I hereby take Letherin from the Celestial Crusaders. I will now randomly place PlayJeff, Letherin and JustinSane4 into the A-Team and Domination firstly and then the last player randomly into any team.

Playjeff is on the A-Team.
Letherin is on the Domination of Death.
JustinSane4 is also on the Domination of Death.

Don't crucify me guys but i really think that is a far better way to go about the teams than a draft at this point. I did start to write up a post for the draft but i soon realized that without bringing another team into the MVL it was not worth the time and effort at this point.

We now have,

A-Team = 5 players
Blade Runners = 5 players
Celestial Crusaders = 6 players
Domination of Death = 6 players
Eternal Villainy = 5 players

If you guys really believe that all of the above is unfair or unconstitutional in any way, we can always still have a draft. Lets just get on to the elections and start another round.

Now onto elections.

I call the nominations for the position of Commissioner of the Metaverse League closed.

The nominee's are,

Silverbeacher
Firebender
Mumblefratz

To move the elections along i am taking some liberties as to how the election will be run. Endless discussion will only delay the election.

I wish to call for a volunteer to assist me in the tallying of votes. This person will be required to check and recheck all the pm's we receive and to tally votes. The volunteer must not be a nominee. Both the volunteer and myself will be privy to all members votes. Voting will be via pm to me or the volunteer. Your vote will be private and known only to me and a volunteer. All players of the MVL are allowed to vote, and i encourage you to do so.

If any of the nominees wish to make a final campaign speech please feel free to do so. To give everyone a chance to read and reply to this the voting will not commence until the 21st of this month. The vote shall last for 1 week from that date or until all players have cast their vote, whichever occurs first.

Once you have pmed either myself or the volunteer your vote we will reply to you that we have received and noted your vote. No further action is needed.

Once the vote is complete i will post the votes for each nominee and officially hand over the position of the Commissioner to the newly elected nominee. Please remember that no captain of any team may hold the position of commissioner, so any team that finds it's captain the new commish will have to elect amongst themselves a new captain.

Should Mumble be elected commissioner i feel it is in the best interest for the MVL to allow him to hold both the office of commissioner and of rulebook keeper.

Should Silverbeacher be elected commish i will call for a volunteer to be the offical score keeper. This role will include some work so please make sure you have the time to dedicate to this position before taking it on.

Should FB be elected to the office of commish it is my desire to see the nominee with the next amount of votes elected Vice Commish. Should this not be the wish of the MVL then by all means a run off vote could be held.

Sorry for the long post guys and the ensuing confusion it will have brought.

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I just thought that i would take a minute to say that i feel all three nominees would do a fantastic job and do the MVL justice. Given though that i must choose i echo my nomination of Silverbeacher. Let's face it, he wants to be the President of the United States..and that job is nothing compared to the Commissioner of the MVL...

@Mumble: I agree with you and KPs voting rules. I also agree that after a week with no one saying anything different gives it basic consensus.

@Kzinti/Mumble: Team ties are already broken the same way as individual ties (score by speed and vice versa). What ties are NOT broken are when all the points added up (base plus bonus) are equal to another team.

@Mumble/Neilo: Ok, draft problem solved. Yes, MUCH easier. Though, can someone check with Motti to see if he's for sure out for the upcoming round or two? That drops the Villainy to 4 players.

@Neilo: haha drunk with power much? Thanks for the endorsement; though I just wanna be a Senator not President.

I will be posting scores this evening in the League Ladder thread when I get back from class (approx. 5pm EST)

I agree with this assesment.


That's fine with me. One major thing out of the way.

Since PlayJeff was on team D and presumedly knows the private forum password and Letherin was on Team C this means that both Team C and Team D should get new passwords. Each captain should PM Tech (Technician) at the Core and he will do this for you directly.


Excellent summary and very reasonable choice of contingencies based on outcome.

A reasonable, take charge, coverage of the issue at hand like this results in far less confusion than a lot of discussion. Unless there is some major flaw in the plan (and I don't see any) a minor tweak is not worth the potential discussion. I find this plan to be perfectly satisfactory.

I don't really feel the need for a final campaign speech, my effort on behalf of the league and the metaverse should be well known to all. But with that said I honestly don’t think the League can make a bad choice here. Silver would also make an excellent commissioner, if not this time then perhaps the next. FireBender too has put in a lot of effort for the benefit of the league and although I think his youth has in some cases gotten the better of himself, he would still make a fine commissioner now or in the future.

I can verify that. With the projects facing me, I can't see being able to dedicate any reasonable effort toward the MVL until at least April 14. That is, if everything goes exactly right. In reality, it'll probably be a week or so after that.

As far as the Commish voting goes, I'd like to reiterate my support for Mumblefratz. Besides, I might recall having heard rumors that Firebender cheated on his taxes in the late '70s and Silverbeacher eats babies.   

Sorry about including you Motti, i do recall some talk a while back about your possible absence from the MVL. I do apologize.

In light of that, i propose moving a player from either the Domination of Death or the Celestial Crusaders to the Eternal Villainy.

Since JustinSane 4 was the last to be assigned earlier on, i would suggest we move JustinSane4 to team E. If there are no objections to this i will consider it a done deal.

Again if someone can post or pm me about helping with the elections we can be sure to hit the ground running once the voting begins. I was happy to do it all myself, but i would rather two people be involved in the process for transparency.

not quite babies Motti...kids yes...and only the Sour Patch kind

OK, so that does confirm that the Villainy will only have 4 players. Now I'm not particularly concerned as we've (Team E) always gotten all our submissions in, and we tend to have players join up pretty consistently.

Well, got up this morning and got all ready for class only to find a foot of snow on the ground and the 'Stang just isn't made for it (especially since my road doesn't get plowed, ever (never has in the 2 yrs I've lived here)).

So without further ado

The A-Team
8 Base points
3 Individual Score BPs to Piznit, DethAdder, and Mumblefratz
2 Team Score BPs
Average Score was 21440
Avg Speed was 4.6 years
Avg Submission Rank was 18.4
Total Points: 13

The Blade-Runners
8 Base points
1 Individual Score BP to MarshallONeil
1 Individual Speed BP to Wyndstar
Average Score was 13650
Avg. Speed was 1.8 years
Avg. Submission Rank was 12.2
Total Points: 10

The Celestial Crusaders
8 Base Points
3 Individual Speed BPs to Firebender*, Elwood011*, and Ferrel
2 Team Speed BPs
Average Score was 12800
Avg. Speed was 0.86 years
Avg. Submission Rank was 18
Total Points: 13
* Firebender and Elwood011 both received a Speed BP as they were tied both in speed & score per MVL Rules on Ties

The Domination of Death
8 Base Points
1 Team Submission BP
Average Score was 14025
Avg. Speed was 2.75 years
Avg. Submission Rank was 8.5
Total Points: 9

The Eternal Villainy
8 Base Points
1 Individual Speed BP to Iztok Bitenc
1 Team Score BP
1 Team Speed BP
2 Team Submission BP
Average Score was 16890
Avg. Speed was 1.6 years
Avg. Submission Rank was 7.6
Total Points: 13

Final Tally

The A-Team, Celestial Crusaders, and Eternal Villainy all TIED for FIRST place with 13 total points each.

The BladeRunners have 10 points

The Domination of Death has 9 points.

Congratulations to All Teams and Players for an excellently played Round.

This sounds suspiciously like someone involved in tax preparation. If so good luck during your hectic season.

We'll keep a spot open for you (and the same for TGE in May).