PJ, what did you do, join a Dodgeball team?  

Thanks for all of your hard work, neilo - you can be proud of your role in getting this Spruce Goose of a league airborne. I know it's really for coaches, but here's a virtual cooler of Gatorade down your back!   

I hope we hear back from the various candidates soon - I can't wait to vote. I must admit that I am much more excited for this vote than for the charades we will have to endure in November...

I know that this has been mentioned but I'm just not sure that this has been as you say "planned". I don't recall any specific rules made about it nor do I recall this issue being voted on or in any other way a formal decision being made. Was this a ruling that Neilo made somewhere that I may have missed? Can you point me to the thread where this was decided?

Certainly we will be forced to do it sooner or later when we are forced to add a new team. I mean it's fine with me if the League does indeed want to go forward with a draft at this time but if it does then I would suggest that we hold the election following the draft.

no, we decided against a draft at the current time. There was concern that we may need one during Round 5 but we had more than enough players join to negate that for the time being. We may have to look at creating another team however very soon, and that would most likely necessitate a draft just from all the shuffling.

I agree with Silver. We actually are not in control of when we will be required to reorganize. If we have the player count that requires a new team then we really have no choice. But if we aren't forced to reorganize this round it's even more likely that we will be forced to add a team the next round and therefore will be forced to repeat something next round that we did voluntarily this round.

We probably should have some upper limit on how long we will go without a reorganization but it's conceivable we could be forced to do this every other month or so with new people joining. In this situation I feel there's no need to look for excuses to reorganize, this will happen quite frequently enough in the normal course of events.

OMFG....seriously...there are tears running down my cheek!!!!

Now (with big baseball bat in hand), who has been talking about me and my goats???




Thanks mate!!

I certainly have not made any ruling and i was not sure we had a draft planned at all. I do recall there being mention of it last round when Kzinti's team was seriously depleted that one might have been needed but i thought that issue died as we got past that with the addition of new players.

Now perhaps folks are thinking since season 1 was 3 rounds all other seasons would be too. That was not my intent as i had hoped to make a season around 5 or six rounds long. Season 1 was short due to the need of adding another team, so by all means any other season could be shortened to add a team, but are we at that point now.

Possibly. We have the numbers but then we open ourselves for leaving teams short should we suffer some no-shows.

In short i am not against a draft should we need one. but im not sure we are in need of one just yet.

Actually I'm really not sure who is in and who isn't anymore. I suspect that each team probably has the best idea of what their current status is. I can speak for Team A in that we haven't heard from Bluntblade for quite awhile now. He didn't submit a game last month and hasn't been heard from this month. If he doesn't submit a game or otherwise show up this round we should probably consider him AWOL.

Also TGE hasn't been heard from but he has had the recent habit of showing up at the last moment. I was just in the process of sending him a reminder of the upcoming end of the round via PM both here and at the Core.

I suggest the other teams take stock of their current membership and be prepared to give a reasonable estimate of their current numbers at the end of this round. We do have a rule in place that no team should start a round with less than 4 or more than 6 members and that no team have greater than one member more than any other team. These rules pretty much dictate when a new team needs to be added and certainly adding a new team requires a draft.

In any case we should make a careful accounting of our numbers between every round and if we need a new team then we need a new team and we really have no choice in the matter.

I was under the impresion that a draft was every three rounds, I think mainly because I thought a season was three rounds. But apparently it was a mistaken impression. I'm not sure who's in or out at this point either, but I will try to get a roll call of my team at least.

Sentient species taste better...

Well, I'd have been here earlier but my Computer wouldn't let me.

First off, Neilo, I'd like to thank you for doing such a great and thorough job these past 6 months and I'm kinda sorry to see you step down. You've set a fine example for the coming new Commish... perhaps some would say too fine.

Also, I'm really honoured for being nominated as a contender for this position(let alone being agreed with for being acceptable for the job). Not sure I'd have nominated myself had I been here earlier. Nevertheless, what the hay, I accept the nomination. Besides, whatever happens, the League will be in good hands(and I speak for not my own).



Actually, a season WAS 3 rounds. But that was only the first season.

On a different note, I've been sure to keep frequent contact with all 6 crusaders. I'm fairly certain they're all active.

-Fire

Here's my submission for the Crusaders, Round 6.

Score: 15050
Years: 0
Race: Yor Collective
Character: Alcadeias
All settings per se round 6 settings.

submission for the round:
0 years
12.6K
thalans
DA 1.8g
crippling
posted on 1/21/2008 3:25:29 PM

link to my character profile (most recent submission is for this round).

there, i don't think i missed anything. anyway, gotta run, sorry i haven't been around much.

Neilo,

Although I've only participated in the current MVL round so far, it looks to me like you've done a bang-up job with the League. Congrates on a job well done and sorry to see you go. I'm looking forward to the election. It's going to be hard to decide where to cast my vote with the nomination of so many amazing players. You guys are all awesome and I think every one of the nominees would be a great comissioner.

A final point about drafts and league reorganizations to bring up is that when this does occur we need to get new passwords for each of the teams private forums at the Core. This is not a huge deal but I had sought to minimize the frequency of this occurance.

Also, I can find out if I really need to, but I do try to make a point of not knowing the passwords for each of the team forums. In case any team wants/needs a new password the team captain should PM Tech or Damoose directly to ask for one and then the team captain is responsible for distributing it to their teammates. By now all team captains should be comfortable enough at the Core to do this on their own.

Wow, Neilo... sorry to see you give up the job. You've done a great job.

Thank you for the nomination, MottiKhan, but I'm afraid I will have to decline, for the same reasons I declined back in the beginning. Too busy, yadda yadda.

Also, I fear the direction I would take the league might end up being very different from what most people seem to want, which is not a problem, really, but still. Thanks again for the nomination, though.

Good luck to whoever throws in their hat.

Craig and Ghost, thank you for your kind words, it was just time for someone else to take the reigns.

The MVL will be in good hands, if not i'll stage a coup!!!

My submission for team C. Round 6.

This is my post for round 6:

Neutral4 Military Conquest4900BeginnerTiny
v1.80g Dark Avatar (Dark Avatar)2

It is on the Metaverse dated 2/11/08 at 9:15

Brezelius

A slight concern has cropped up in the MVL DA Surrender Setting Vote.

I doubt this will make any difference in the validity or outcome of the vote but it does bring up something that we probably should cover one way or another in our voting rules.

I could be mistaken in which case I apologize but I think PlayJeff edited his vote. BTW I'm not trying to put any onus on PlayJeff it's just that this is the first time that I've noticed anything like this happen. For all I know it's happened before and I simply didn't notice.

I can think of two basic reasons this might be done. The first reason is that perhaps his first response wasn't totaly clear which choice he meant and the edit was intended to make sure his original vote was counted correctly. The other case is perhaps he changed his mind and wished to change his vote.

I'm not making a value judgement as to whether this is good, bad or indifferent regardless of the reason, but it is clear that this could be construed as some kind of voting irregularity and I feel we do need to have a statement about how this should be handled in the future.

Anyone want to venture their opinion?

For my own personal opinion I see no real issue if someone was merely trying to make their initial response clearer, however I would think that it would be a better choice to leave the initial text untouched and then add explanation text clearly indicating which text had been added using [edit] tags.

Also I don't see anything real horrible if someone simply decides to change their vote. I see no real advantage anyone would gain by voting first one way and later changing to vote a different way. However again I would think it would be better to have some visible explanation of exactly what (and perhaps why) something was changed.

However, with the above said I'm not sure that the potential benefit of getting a "truer" vote is worth the possible confusion that allowing this as a common practice could cause.

You must work for the federal government Mumble. For a couple years I worked for a US defense contractor, supporting an engineering team for the Hydra APKWS system. One of the most maddening things was having to detail every single little change in any document. If you inserted a comma somewhere, it had to be thoroughly documented....it drove me mad! Even a number of years later, I still have bureaucratic fatigue. That company wasted a helluva lot of tax dollars, and the program ended up being cancelled. This is why I often have a strong reaction to even a hint of uncessary bureacracy.

That said, I dont have any problem with people editing their vote.

Sentient species taste better...

It's more a matter of having written a summary of the vote in the OP and then scratching my head trying to figure out why the count was wrong.

I'm not worried about an additional or missing comma, but magically changed votes are a little disconcerting to me.

However your opinion is duly noted and appreciated.

i'm ok with people changing their vote..that being said, I agree that the most preferred method is to leave the original text and then post an Edit, or a separate post.

Certainly less confusing that way. I'll add my preference to this category.

I'm not sure how many more "votes" on this matter we will get and believe it or not I'm not overly fond of bureacracy myself, so I'll just presume it's reasonable to allow the editing of votes but that any changes should be made in an "obvious" manner.

I'm also going to add without asking permission that the voting thread should be locked once the vote expires so that it remains a true record of the vote as it occured.

To summarize, here are all rules related to voting that have been discussed within this thread and to which I believe there is consensus agreement. Given that there was some vagueness in Kzinti's original list I've taken the liberty to add a bit of detail and reorder them.


I think this tightens up any loose ends and is basically true to the earlier discussion that we had in this thread. If you agree with this stance then you don't need to do anything, if you object then say so and perhaps we need to have a bit more bureacracy after all. I'll leave this here until the end of this round and if there are no objections by then I will assume we have consensus agreement throughout the league and will incorporate these rules into the MVL Rulebook. If anyone does object then we'll move this to the rules thread and be forced to discuss this further.

Sounds good to me. Thanks for your efforts Mumble.

Sentient species taste better...

I voted for surrenders at first. I then went back and seen all of the 0yr victories in DA games. You would not get that in DL, so with DL players in mind I changed my vote to game by game.
Sorry for any cofusion.

No problem. It's better to see the kinds of exceptions that we need to account for earlier rather than later.

It seems that everyone is OK with this but leaving "tracks" so that people actually realize what happened is probably for the best.

Just want to check the thread and may as well update the submission status as I see it.

Team A

Bluntblade and TGE and myself haven't yet submitted games. No one has heard from Bluntblade for a couple of months so nothing is expected from him. We've heard from TGE and do expect a submission and I have a game posted to the MV but I have a possible different ending to post over it if necessary so I'm withholding my submission for the moment.

Team B

I think Ghostwes mentioned something earlier in the thread that he wouldn't be able to submit but I don't recall if that was just for the round or for an unspecified period of time. In any case neither Ghostwes or CornhuskerMac have submitted but team b does have 5 games submitted at the moment.

Team C

All 6 players have submitted.

Team D

4 submissions. Nothing yet from GalenEvil or Haart.

Team E

All 5 players have submitted.

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We still have another almost 25 hours to submit by my calculation. Hopefully there will be no forum issues that prohibit anyone from submitting.