uglycow

Join Date 07/2004

Please remove mega event that limits travel to 5

I use to brag about this game to my family and friends. I bought the Gold Edition for my brother. He used to love it. One of his best friends decided to get it as well. That was two to three months ago. Now they don't like it. I still play, a lot less.

The only problem I have with the beta is the mega event that makes it so nothing can go past five movement points a turn. For races like the Acreans, and others that have specialized techs that make ships go faster, this really ruins the game. I haven't touched the Acreans since that mega event reared it's ugly head in Arnor. The Thalans have techs that increase speed without using engines, just like the Acreans. So do the Terran's with their warp bubble tech. I have played all of them once as well. I know this isn't the first, or second, or third, or ..... complaint about this viral mega event. There is really no point to some new, and wonderful, techs in Arnor with this trojan in the game.

Why did this get put in here anyway? Did someone on the dev team see the Star Trek The Next Generation episode where the Enterprise found out warp drive damages space and then Starfleet decided to order all its ships to not go faster than warp 5? That episode and this virus certainly have a lot in common. Please take it out. Or if someone on the dev team is married to STTNG then please get rid of all engine techs above hyper drive because the players can just research miniaturization and put 4 or 5 hyper drives on their ships and not waste resources and time researching travel techs that are rendered useless by this event. There is also no point to the new size of galaxy in Arnor with this event. There is also no point to Huge and above galaxies in the base game or DA with this mega event.

Is there some memory problem later in the game if ships are going more than five movement points a turn? That is the only valid reason why that mega event needs to be in the game. If the devs don't want to listen to another person rant about this then perhaps they could still get rid of the event and just hard code it so no ships can go faster than five movement points a turn. Then they can advertise it. Of course the number of potential GC2 customers would decline when they hear of it and some or many of the current playing customers, (let's have a huge poll on this to find out), may decide that is a totally stupid move. Another stupid move would be to take the event out but only in the Arnor expansion pack.

A really nice and wonderful, saintly move would be for the devs to make it possible to MOD, (add, fix, remove), mega events. If they did I'm sure this mega event would be the first to go. Or a mega event to counter it would be added by a really annoyed fan.

Edit: Yes we can all click the no mega event option when setting up a game. I have a valid question to that response. Why did the devs even bother to make the rest of the mega events?

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You know you can turn off mega events?

A mega event is supposed to be mega: Turning the game upside down.

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Isn't the whole point of mega events to give an advantage to the diminishing civs? You were previously leading as the Arceans, I presume, so the comp is trying to rebalance the game.

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Phaedyme

Join Date 04/2003

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Turn off mega events.

Restore from the most recent save - the speed limit event probably won't happen again.

Play it through anyway.

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The problem with turning off mega events is the "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" thing. There are plenty of mega events that don't actually suck and instead make things more interesting.

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Restore from the most recent save - the speed limit event probably won't happen again.

This is something i have done before...none to proudly but sometimes i am just not looking for the unbalance that ME's provide...some i like...some i do not.

As Raknor said, Just auto-save every turn and if a ME happens that you do not like reload previous auto save.

Couldn't be any easier.

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(let's have a huge poll on this to find out)

Noooo way, keep it as is and lemme stare at the highway speed-limit panel of 100kms/hr... cuz it's the Law. Yes, officer.
But while i have the policeman attention, could you gun down or jail The Jagged Knife for me please? Not their duty to take would be the answer, i s'pose.
Opinions. That's all.

Some are good, some are bad. Overall, it's still worth plenty of fun.

- Zyxpsilon.

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Phaedyme

Join Date 04/2003

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Well, yeah, that's why it's only one of the possible options I listed. Whenever I've reloaded after a mega event, the same mega event didn't happen again, so that's the second thing I suggested. The third is just go with it - which is what I usually do.

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While he Op may not like this particular event, I think I have seen at least 5 or more mega events get flamed, people saying I like the others but not 'pirates' 'jagged knife' 'extra planets' 'godlike artefact'. In fact NO, know I think about it I could list all the mega events and at least one person has whined about them. What are the devs supposed to do? Chop a mega event every time someone complains? There would be none left by now.

If you like the idea of mega events and can handle that you might not actually win every game play with mega events on, if not turn off, or cheat and reload from last autosave.

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An option to be able to selectively turn off mega events in an ala carte fashion would be nice. While there are certainly mega events I DESPISE, including this one and the unlimited range event, I agree with the poster immediately preceding this post that you can't make everybody happy all of the time.

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I think that's why they let you disable mega events. Some you'll like, some you won't. If you quit playing because you don't like a particular event or list of events, turn mega events off. I for one LOVE the variety. Sure, some of the events I don't really enjoy, but that's what makes it exciting. At least for me. Opinions vary, of course.

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Heh. I got this last night, playing as the Thalans. I immediately sold Alliance tech to the Drengin, and Torians, and made alliances with them, and the Terrans. Diplo victory. Then I reloaded the auto-save and saved it with a new name. I'll play it out later. It really does suck on an immense map, but I would have played it to the quickest conclusion either way. (I was only 2 techs from a tech victory as well, and I always disable influence victory)

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I don't mind this event. Means you no longer have to put engines on your ship. Just research the speed +1 techs until you're at 5 and you're good to go.

I admit, I don't play the dense immense galaxies (just sparse ones), so my turns don't take too long, but I don't see how 5 speed max is so horribly crippling.

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Try it with 920 planets on a DA, Gig, Abundant, All with hundreds or thousands of ships. Trust me, you will be reloading the game to before the event if you ever want to actually finish the game. But then, I'm OK with reloading since I save out multiple copies of the game as I play.

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Actually, that raises a point I was thinking I was seeing. In DA I remember playing galaxies where I had 800+ planets. Is it just me, or does the new immense setting seem to be smaller than that? I haven't had a beta game yet where I have seen all the galaxy colonized in Immense, but it just seems like there is less planets.

I suppose I could start a Battle of the Gods game and check.

But yeah...it is annoying to send warships to the opposite side of an immense map, and realize that when they get there in 40 turns with the 5 speed limit, they are going to be VERY obsolete.

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Edit: Yes we can all click the no mega event option when setting up a game. I have a valid question to that response. Why did the devs even bother to make the rest of the mega events?

Because if all the mega-events simply made it EASIER for you to win your game, why would you ever decide to turn them OFF. The point of the events is to scramble things up.

The reason they allow you to turn them off is for the people who can't deal with the negative events. Wanting to leave Mega Events on, and complaining about the negative side of an event when one happens to you, reminds of someone who wants to gamble at a casino, but only if they are reassured they will win...

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There has been some back and forth on this. My understanding is that it's currently capped down because of some memory issues, but that they plan to uncap it again before final release. Now I'm drawing some conclusions to reach that point, and I might not be right.

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Wanting to leave Mega Events on, and complaining about the negative side of an event when one happens to you, reminds of someone who wants to gamble at a casino, but only if they are reassured they will win...

I don't find this reasoning valid at all. There are plenty of negative mega events that I'd keep given the choice. The point is that people are being faced with having to miss out on all the mega events in order to avoid the few they personally consider game killing. If you don't agree, so be it. The purpose of gaming is to have fun, not to be forced to play according to your arbitrary standards. In the grand scheme of things providing a menu with checkboxes for each event is pretty trivial and more options for the player is always a good thing.

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This is one of my favorite mega events, precisely because it radically rebalances the game. All of a sudden it really feels like space. Your oldest vessels are the ones at the front, your newest are still travelling out to meet the enemy, it's all very Ender's Game or Forever War. Very very cool, I'd be extremely upset if it were removed.

However, it's long been suggested that there be toggles for individual mega events in the options screen, and I suppose that's the best route to making all parties happy. I'd say for metaverse, though, you should be forced to play with all or none. No fair turning off the ones that inhibit your play style and leaving on the ones that benefit you, after all.

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The purpose of gaming is to have fun, not to be forced to play according to your arbitrary standards.

Forced????

Reload last autosave...

Its a bit like the gambler who says he's forced to spend all day in a casino

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Perhaps, as an alternative to removing this event, it could be scalled to the size of the map. There's a huge difference between a max speed of 5 on a small map and a max speed of 5 on a gigantic one. Maybe for gigantic this even should set a max speed of 20 or 25 and scale down to 5 for the smallest map.

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I've played a couple of games without megaevents now, but not for the suggested reason that the option is for people who can't deal with the negative events. Instead, it has been my observation that the computer players generally suck at dealing with them. Let's take a couple of examples:

Speed limit event: Fine, the game is slower-paced now. No more engines required on my ships, but before those computer players who used engines understand they are useless now, a lot of time can pass

Jagged Knife: What I do: Go to full military spending, change all production to transports, and conquer the Knife guys before they build ships to defend my worlds. What the computer does: Nothing. Immediately after the event is the most convenient time to crush the Knife, which the AI just doesn't.

Mega-event do shake the game up, but unfortunately, what they shake up most is the AI. I may try it again later in the beta when the promised AI work is underway, but for now I just turn them off

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Phaedyme

Join Date 04/2003

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Yes, and AI players continue adding life support modules after the unlimited range event. Also, they don't rush for the planet explosion, and so on.

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I agree with Vinraith, its a very fun event for me.

I realy can't understand why the devs who allow us to customize soo many parts of the game would not allow us to select the mega events that are to going to be allowed in our game. There is no reason not to do this. If they are afraid that it spoils the suprise for new players they should just make the game remeber which events the player has experienced and add them to the list of mega events that can be turned off or on.

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I agree. I hate that event. It would be nice if we could overcome a mega event say by putting research money into new tech or something along those lines. It seems most events can be overcome such as the jagged knife, and others by invading and reclaiming the planets. It is only fair that we should be given a way to overcome this speed issue through research.

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Phaedyme

Join Date 04/2003

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In my current game, I got the ultra warp or whatever event. All ships have a +50% speed boost...

I've got speed 24 ships with two hyper-warp engines.

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