sure, rub it in

Did somebody tell you that you werent allowed to move?   I think CT and MA also have similar laws.

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That would be a heck of a culture/fashion shock.  CA to VT.  Heck, going any further south of PA feels weird.  I went to Durham, NC for work once and it was an entirely different feel that the sticks of PA.

Yeah, fashion in VT consists of what keeps you from freezing to death.  Then there's "mud-season", which is what the rest of the world calls Spring.  The ice on the river near my place finally broke up last week, but now its freezing over again...  I saw people out on the lake ice-fishing just last Friday.

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i'll hold off on that move for the moment. if CA assembly bill 390 passes, it'll be of more immediate concern to me. gay marriage is good in theory, but for it to be of practical value to me, i'd need to have a man i'd want to marry in mind.

Yeah, and following "mud-season" is "construction season", which we have already entered.  Every gawd damned road on my way to work seems to have been sceduled for construction this year.  In this little valley, there aren't many alternatives either...at least paved ones.

It was very surprising, at least to those of us not in CA, that prop-whatever passed banning it.  CA is always thought of as on the cutting edge of progressiveness.

I'm actually looking forward to the construction.  Some of the roads immediately around where I live are in pretty bad shape.  The road that is the most direct route to my new job has tons of frost-heaves, so I hope they do some major work on that one.

We've started a thread over at the Galactic Core, to discuss a few things, the most important being would people like there to be Kzinti Empire forums, which some have expressed interest in lately.  Anyone who would like to participate, let me know so I can send you a PM with the password.

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I have a new question what is a Troll?

From Wikipedia:  An Internet troll, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.  Did someone refer to you as a troll?

Now that people have had time to digest it a bit, what did people think about the BSG finale?  At first I couldnt decide, because there were still many unanswered questions, but I give them credit for an unusual ending.  I'm still wondering about Starbuck, Six, Baltar, et al, and what sort of beings they really are.  I thought them giving up all their tech was improbabl, especially everyone deciding to do it, and it was quite short-sighted considering they did it to "end the cycle" of war between man and machine.  They had to have known that eventually high technology would be reborn in the far distant future, and things would likely start all over again.  Also, the Centurions flew off in their base ship, so what happened to them?  They could have survived or perished.  And it wasnt clear if the Cylon colony was completely destroyed or if there were survivors.

At this point, I'm liking the ending, because it's still making me think and wonder.

And I wish Roslin had died long ago...she had gotten annoying.

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St Mina............go here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

your new font is much easier to read .   you're not causing any trouble.

edit: KP beats me again.  btw KP, shouldn't you be working?  or maybe you have short-timer's disease?   glad to hear about the new job.  maybe there's some truth to luck being the point where persistence and opportunity meet.

I give the actress of Roslin much credit (or the producer) to eye for details.  When they showed her running/hobbling thru the corridors, she was in obvious physical distress.  When they flipped to the oprah house, she was fit as a fiddle.

I'm a bit fuzzy to the fact Baltar wasn't akin to Kara since he should have died in the nuke of Caprica.

A nice +1 to the line Kara said before punching in the coords..."There has got to be some way out of here".

The psylon colony IMHO should have been shown to take dmg after BSG jumped away.  Frigging that Raptor tore a nice hole into BSG when she kidnapped Hera.  While they didn't show what happened to them, I'd think the Psylons there were toast(ers lol).  W/o resurection or a way to create new life, they would spiral into nothing by accidental deaths.  This may be fleshed out in the 2hr ep The Plan later this year.

As for the technology thing, I think the 'angelic' 6 and baltar covered it well about repeating the past.  Eventually something will change and the past won't be repeated...you just have to give it time.

@BSG. I'm just glad I got an ending. So many serial dramss I've gotten into, in the past, have been cancelled prematurely. Firefly/Farscape/Jericho/Deadwood/Carnivale. I have a real track record going here.

I thought the whole "higher entity" just screwing with them was a bit of a cop out. Baltar said It wasn't on anybody's side. So why did It want the humans and cylons to break the cycle? Why would It care? If there was a father/child relationship going on there, It sure wasn't a very good father. I guess there is no answer to It's motivations.

   @ KP,  No, I wanted to clear up the meaning. In other Empires threads I have read, they did have a problem with Trolls .

   I just updated my rank and added some new pictures in My Empire Thread so if you want to chek it out, click on Order below and you will enter in a new window  but I am not forcing  anyone to look. 

the general consensus is that prop 8 passed due to timing: many people came out to vote for (and for that matter, against) obama who don't normally vote, and much of that population is more socially conservative than the californians who vote consistently.

however the propoganda campaign for prop 8 was really quite offensive. the slogan was "protect the family", but the insinuation was "protect your family," as if gays have some grand plan to unweave the fabric of each and every family. it played on the anxieties everyone feels (and many misplace) about being able to control of their kids' futures in a positive way. and the conservatives who led the charge for prop 8 knew what this election would do and used it to their advantage.

in a way, i think i'd prefer people vote to legalize gay marriage. it was made legal in the state for the short time it was via a court ruling, and while i generally think more equal rights are always a better thing, a part of me would rather see the public declare that gays deserve the right to marry as equals by means of a democratic vote rather than a court ruling doing it for them. part of the reason marriage is valued by the gay community is for the social status it supposedly carries; in that respect, i'd like to know that the status is genuine ina  majority of people i might encounter. in other words, i want the average person to recognize that we're not essentially different. anyway i'd better drop the subject for the time being; it's too early for me to get worked up about something like this.

we have a similar discussion at ToE. i was a little disappointed, but i think that's just because no ending would really suffice for a show i loved that much. with that said, i agree that the "higher power" thing was disappointing. i always enjoyed the ambiguity with which they approached the supernatural in the show, and the way it was handled in the finale was much more heavy handed. moreover, i felt like it retroactively applied a 'moral of the story' to the series, and one i didn't particularly care for: that there are unseemly and petty aspects to our society because god is 'still trying to get it right.' i also felt much of the finale was more predictable than previous critical moments in the series; my only "oh sh*t" moment was when starbuck used the notes of the song to plot their jump (at which point i immediately knew they'd end up at earth, our earth).

still, now that i can look over the entire series, i think it's one of the best things that ever been on TV. they spun it as a space opera, and i think if you know much about the conventions of opera and think of the show in that respect, it really adds something. traditional operas aren't meant to be surprising, but moving. you go into it knowing if it's a tragedy, comedy, romance or epic drama (or more specifically, what measure of each). today we tend to place a premium on "the twist" in a story, shocking revelations, and the capacity for a narrative to surprise us, but in days past people valued the elegance with which a story was told. shakespeare wasn't a play-writer, he was a play-wright: the W is an artifcat from earlier forms of english. a playwright doesn't write new stories, they make right existing stories, making them more interesting and aesthetically appealing. they're masters of language and stage direction, not of story construction. in that sense i think BSG was great; even though it diverged increasingly from the original series towards the end there, i think through the whole of the show the writers and producers really took a diamond in the rough and polished it so that we could all appreciate what was there.

OK, BSG explained:

1.) The nuke blast on Caprica was far enough away that only the shock wave itself actually hit Baltar's home.  Its kinda like yer house being hit by a tornado, its gonna mess things up, and you may end up dead or badly injured but it IS possible to survive.

2.) Ron Moore gave an interview just before the finale aired, stating how he had wished that he would have more time/money for the finale to concretely show that the Cylon colony was being sucked toward the Singularity.  He said that they had no chance of survival.  This can be deduced even from the episode as is, as they talk about how the Colony is the precise, but precarious, position of orbiting the black hole. The nukes from Crashdown (btw LOVED how Crashdown 'saves' the day) send it spiraling (which you do see).

3.) While not each world is explicitly discussed, the general consensus is that the Colonial worlds are not really that lush or temperate.  Caprica, and I believe Arelon, were fairly fertile, but overall the Colonies were fairly "barren".  This is also noted in Adama's (Roslin?) statement that the continent of Africa alone had more wildlife than the 12 colonies combined.

4.) Adama's statement "1 million LYs" is hyperbole.   Also, for those that say, "only one jump from the Colony?"

The actual distance a Jump can cover is not the issue.  The problem was the calculations to not a) end up in the middle of the Void and b.) not end up in the middle of an interstellar object.  Thus they could only reasonably jump to the edge of their sensors/calculations.  For example, if we had Jump technology we could relatively safely Jump anywhere within 20LYs because we have a decent amount of telemetry gathered from observation. But on the far side of the galaxy, its more guess work than actual knowledge. Its the same for the Colonials. Its not that they "couldn't", its out of concern for safety.

5.) God/Gods/etc is, as called by Baltar, a Force of Nature, neither good nor evil.  That is, its 'Plan' is to see Creation and the continuation of Creation.  The Cycle was one of Creation, but it always ended in Destruction. That is what the Higher Power was working against.

Thanks.  There may be some of that particular affliction going around *cough* 

@Loup: The President really did appear frail, sick, and terminal.  Definite props to Mary McDonnel! (sp?)  That was Oprah's house?     I think the what the angelic Six and Baltar said was intentionally vague.  As to whether this particular iteration of "the cycle" would be different was left an open question.  But my take is that considering the almost constant warfare of the past 6000 years of this Earth's history, i give it a vanishingly small chance.

@Ferrell: I'm also glad the series ended as planned rather than being cancelled, or dragging on forever and deteriorating.  I enjoyed the unusual way in which religion/spirituality was used in such a sci-fi series, but the ending could have let the mortals make more deterministic choices. 

@Dystopic: Very well-said, especially your comparisons to Shakespear and opera.  Generally I dont like ambiguous endings, because i cna think of many possible resolution on my own, but I usually want to know what the specific writer/creator thinks would happen.  I neer thought they would arrive at our Earth, my reasoning being that the fossil record clearly shows that humans eveolved here.  I was wrong on that one.

@Silver:

1. Yep, I was going to say the same thing. 

5.  I think the mortal Baltar, Sixes, etc are compeltely separate entities from the supernatural versions.  The supernatural beings just took on forms that would suit their purposes, but they could have looked like whatever they wanted.  Starbuck not knowing she was one of these beings also left more questions.  Overall though, I thought the religious and spiritual aspects of the show added a lot of depth and dimension to the story.  This is not something that sci-fi usually does well.  I just finished the Reality Dysfunction series a little while ago, and this was another instance of spirituality playing a major part in a high-tech society.

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@SB. That puts it in a different light. Kinda like God/Gods/etc, just couldn't get it right. At the cost of billions of lives. I just wish God/Gods/etc were a little less cryptic. It would solve a lot problems if s/he would just come on down, shake our hands, and show us the project plan. lol

Don't get me wrong. I liked the series. It was a satisfactory finish. Just, IMO, not a great one.

At least it had one. The original series just dead ended.

Then they made it worse with that "movie". Galactica 1980 .

I guess everyone figured that the first earth wasn't our earth. I think they had to end it  they way they did. I was just never sure what time period they would get here. I liked that the were in our past. The original serier had a lot more references to ancient cultures, like Greek and Egyptian.

About the end of the colony, i think you can see it start to get hit with asteroids after it gets shot. I figuered it got pummeled.

Yup on both, though i still believe that Baltar would have died in the house, which brings me to SB and KP and..1).

What crap! The blast wave was seen rushing to the house, it blows in the windows and walls and the last thing we see is Caprics 6 standing in front of Baltar. At a later time this is relived and then we cut to Caprica 6 being ressurected. IF it was enough to kill her, it also would have killed Baltar. Thats why i always thought he too was a skin job.

Just one of those things that the writers hope we forgot.

But the blast was devastating, no doubts about it, grab the DVD and put it in and look for your selves.

There is no doubt.

Damn you all! Some of us don't get that channel and have to wait for the show on DVD   There is already a topic devoted to this that I've been consciously avoiding.

A thing that's in the beginning 'credits' on every episode I think....

I apologize for the rest of us, Willy.

If that's sarcasm SS, i missed it. If not.

Bullshit do you. Don't even think about it.

Willy. Where is the person holding a gun to your head that forced you to come into this thread and read comments. Your trolling and saw someone talk about BSG.

Well tough luck. You have not been apart of this thread, at least not in the last 10 pages that i just checked so why should any talk of any topic take into account your needs.

Who cares if there is other threads on the topic. Whatever your agenda is pal, don't pedal your crap on us.

Here's some more info for ya....asshat.

Andes flies whole fleet into Earth's sun.

Starbuck simply dissapears.

Chief moves away on his own, to northen England i gathered.

Roslin died in a raptor being piloted by Adama and he vows to build her the cabin.

Show finishes with it showing NYC 150,000 years after the fleet settles here. It depicts Baltar and Caprica 6's alter-ego's talking about the cycle of war and if it has been broken.

End credits hold a disclaimer saying that no-one is to discuss this cause Willy hasn't seen it yet and he will be angry with us.

@Neilo

+1 karma.  That's funny.  I don't care who you are.