What do you mean? Are mines less likely to show up using loose clusters?

I think he had a precursor mine in the game he started, but now that he has to restart with "loose cluster" settings, he only has the usual small chance of getting a mine...

This is my preferred method, and if there is no objections this will be the norm from now on.

Mumble, I had thought we discussed this and agreed on your suggestion. I may be wrong though. In any case, i do like having a BP for fastest and highest in each category. As you said this is across all teams so there is no advantage to anyone and it gives everyone the chance to get a BP or two.

It's early in the round so we can discuss this a little if there is a need, but if we are happy with this i will edit the OP to include this.

Someone remind me though please, another week and a half of 14 hour shifts to go.....it's a wonder i can recall how to type.

The Commish.

The scores of all five players are averaged and compared to other teams. The team with the highest score recieves BPs. In this way, the fifth player isn't left out. His score and time still counts. But it doesn't apply for individual bonuses.

-Fire
Commish.

Edit: saw FB's reply and it seems to agree with my understanding of the situation.

Vilgan

Looks like A team got another good player on their team.

I have a PM in to our team captain (Team D), but haven't heard back from him. With RL stuff looming, I might only have a small window of time to play a League game. If I don't hear from him soon, I'll need to back out of this round. Just a heads up, in case I can't start a game in the next day or two.

No, but I had started a game and had a 700% (+2x +100%) on my homeworld. Plus a Morale, a Science and two military resources nearby. And All the others far away in some corner. It was THE game. Only it was tight stars.

Well, there's no use complaing...

Yes we did discuss it but I don't think anything was formally agreed. It seems reasonable to me and two others have spoken up in support of it while only one person has questioned it as perhaps too many bonus points. As Vilgan mentioned, this would be 8 points of individual bonus versus 6 points in the single victory condition scenario so I don't think this objection holds much weight. In fact if you compare it to the previous situation where we had 3, 2 and 1 point bonuses then we used to have 12 points of individual bonus versus the 8 of my latest proposal.

Anyway, I think we have a basic agreement but are lacking an official pronouncement that this will be used.

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On the averaging of the 5th game from a five man team I'm not quite sure this is the best thing to do. Certainly we already average all submitted games for purposes of determining team bonuses, so from that point of view all games count for something.

In the case of everyone playing the same victory condition then all five games have an equal chance of being used and even if one ends up not being used it did provide "backup" protection against an unexpected non-submittal.

The most awkward case for the 5 man team is the current situation of different victory conditions. In this case my tendency would be to always have an "extra" military conquest played because that is the highest scoring game and since all games are averaged for team score bonus that is the best contribution that a duplicate game can make.

However, to say that we would also average the two duplicate games in this case for purposes of determining base score doesn't really make sense. The best case is that both players get a victory of the proper type in which case you would average to 2 points just like you would get if the lower scoring game were dropped. If there's any other situation the average can only lower the amount from this game type never raise it. Therefore it's always better for the team to simply use the best of the duplicate scores. The one case that is a negative to drop one game is in terms of individual bonuses. I think if a game was "dropped" then it probably wouldn't be considered for individual bonus. However there is a possibility that both games of the duplicate type could have otherwise receive individual bonus.

This is not as simple of a decision as it appears on the surface. I think for purposes of base score it makes no sense to average them, dropping one is actually better or equal in all cases.

Clearly team scores are already averaged. I think the only real question is should all 5 games be eligible for individual bonus? This is probably unlikely to occur and if it did is most likely an unfair disadvantage to the 4 man team.

My opinion on whole is to leave things as they basically are, which is that all 5 games contribute to team bonus because they are averaged. That a 5th game provides the team a benefit of a "backup" in case of a dropped game. But that for base score only 4 games count and only four games are eligible for individual bonus. I still think this leaves a 5 man team with some advantage over a 4 man team since they get to pick which game to exclude.

I also think that when looking at the whole picture a 5th game that is dropped is by no means useless and a waste of effort and does provide a valuable service to the team even if it is "dropped".

One possible suggestion would be to start a game "generically" and take it to a position of getting close to the end and see how it ends in all four different victory conditions. That is in fact how I am starting to proceed. That way I can present my teammates with a choice of how they want me to submit my game.

Alternatively, you could simply state your issue as you have and make your best guess as to which game you can contribute the most with and let your teammates take the other games. As a (relatively) unbiased observer it's clear that you have the highest game scoring potential on your team. I would think that any captain worth his salt would give you the military conquest. As long as this victory condition is to your liking I'd say the best option is to just do the game, submit it and trust your captain and teammates to use a little common sense to accommodate your decision.

Certainly any game you decide to submit is better than backing out of the round. In this situation its far better to appologize than it is to ask permission.

Posted result for the butterfly (the_butter_flies)

Cultural victory!
Torian: 8925 points
9/19/2007
12:12:44PM (Metaverse time zone)
version DL 1.5
difficulty: crippling
All specifications followed (of course)


That was a quick one!
Edit: 1 year

Don't know about the "good" part, but I do play a lot, wife/life permitting. Anyway, hi folks, looking forward to the fun.

Ferrel Mewler

Nice game, thebutterfly.

Welcome to the league and our team, Ferrel.

That's a good idea. I can do that, but only finish up to the first couple of months. The strategies for different victory types can be quite different, especially if you're going for a speedy game.

I'll get one started tonight.

Great game, thebutterfly!   

You dont have to post this time Motti, I will forgive you  

Ok I see what you mean about it screwing up other parts of the system to average the games like that. I think our team is set on our goals except for one that hasn't stopped by yet. I figured I'd give it through the weekend to hear from him, then I'll start a game under what would be his victory condition, just in case.

Till now I've said nothing on the subject of "BPs categories on each victory". It would put increasing focus on individuals rather then teams. Hmmm, I'll go neutral until I hear a really good point to support it. All in all, it has 2 have voted for it and 1 against.*
However, I have a suggestion for it.

How about reducing the BPs to 1 if we are going to implement this. Ties also recieve 1. Do excuse me if this has already been suggested. I haven't read the entire thread. Will do it later. RL looming.

Nice game, butterfly! That will give the crusaders a leg up over the competition!

-Fire

*myself not included in either of the counts.

I don't think its been suggested or considered anywhere for this round that individual BP would be anything other than 1. Its that way in the OP for the round as well...

Vilgan

My interpretation of the suggestion:

Fastest Conquest gets 1 point. Ties also get 1 point.
Highest scoring Conquest gets 1 point. Ties also get 1 point.

Fastest Influence gets 1 point. Ties also get 1 point.
Highest scoring Influence gets 1 point. Ties also get 1 point.

repeat for Alliance and Tech.

Exactly.

Actually it's 4 for (Me, Vilgan, Xei Win Toh and Neilo) and 1 against (PlayJeff) and with a reasonable counter argument to the 1 against's objection. At this point it's starting to be a no-brainer.

Yep. No one has said anything other than 1 point for the individual bonus points.

Note that there is no need to change the team bonuses because they are an average of all games.

My opinion on the scoring: It's like football (soccer). We do exactly as the referee pleases.

If we follow this advice all rounds will end up 1 to nil. Not very exciting.

Still play the neutral party. Whatever the majority wants. The majority gets...

No wait, just to continue it I'll go against. Thats 2 : 1 ratio.
Lets wait for the other 12 players' opinion.

-Fire

Honestly when I thought of it I thought it was worth very little considering the way most players play. But whatever.



Hey, looks like we have a non-member reader. Thought about joining the league yet, Noctalicus?

-Fire