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sorry but the game story has it wrong about Stargate's.

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sorry but the game story has it wrong about Stargate's.

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it isn't the length of time to travel between gates that is the problem. that is instant travel. what the problem is is the 50,000+ years it takes to get between systems to set up the next Stargate. I base this on the fact that at our tech LL right now it will take us 50,000 to get to the alpha Centauri system.


the other problem is the hyper drive engine costs 1 million dollars, give or take, to build.


i cant see a Stargate costing less than 1 trillion dollars per gate. you need two of these to work so each pair would cost 2 trillion dollars and then you don't get to use them for 50,000 years.

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Reply #26 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Ok well you see theres your problem. You dont pay for the stargates until they're functional. SO you deposit like 1 BC in your account now. and in 50,000 years when the gates are up and running you're sure to have enough in your account to pay for it AND maybe have a little left over to got to a nice restuarant. watch the universe implode over desert.


CaptainYar.....I have one thing to say to this. Nice subtlety if you are referring to The Guide, and if not then it was funny nonetheless! Kudos to you!
Reply #27 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Ok, now that we seem to be talking about all space based TV shows, my question now is where does Buck Rogers fit in? That was early 80's right? The wardrobe is from Star Trek, with lots of spandex, but their fighters sort of sounded like those from Battlestar. And they had stargates (or whatever they called em)too!

I forgot, he is after this time, so he is still floating around frozen in his ship while this is all happening.

btw that was a nice Guide reference.
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Reply #28 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
(Citizen)SkippioAugust 15, 2007 21:37:46Reply #27
Ok, now that we seem to be talking about all space based TV shows, my question now is where does Buck Rogers fit in? That was early 80's right? The wardrobe is from Star Trek, with lots of spandex, but their fighters sort of sounded like those from Battlestar. And they had stargates (or whatever they called em)too!

I forgot, he is after this time, so he is still floating around frozen in his ship while this is all happening.

btw that was a nice Guide reference.


Oh, man. As a true old geezer, I was mostly staying out of this childish prattle (well, one prev post, also derisive), but I have to step in to correct this youthful misunderstanding...

Buck Rogers first appeared in the novel Armageddon 2419 in 1928. The immensely long running comic strip Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, from which many of our modern era science fiction 'standard' devices & techniques derive, first appeared in Jan, 1929. And he did not get to the future by being frozen in a space shuttle...he was MUCH more sensibly preserved by being overcome and placed in suspended animation by exotic gases in a mine shaft.

drrider

PS - BTW, the first space conflict GAME I am aware of that had Stargates was StarForce: Alpha Centauri in 1975 (still my all-time favorite wargame, and one of a tiny, tiny few, including modern computer games, that had workable integral 3-D play - not graphics, PLAY). There were probably some earlier ones, though.

Hey, does anyone remember the name of the game that had the Ackroyd and Belushi class alien destroyers?
Reply #29 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Oh, and you also forgot to mention the greatest contribution of the Buck Rogers TV show to the canon of science fiction...(no, not 'Be De Be De Be De')...wait for it...

Erin Grey in white spandex.

(She's still on my list of five.)


drrider
Reply #30 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In stories, these sorts of things are story or plot devices. In Fiction, no concept of how they work is wrong.
Reply #31 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In Andromeda they don't have stargates, but they do have the 'rod of ages'. Even a sun can pass through that thing!

Im into the fifth season of Andromeda now and even though it seems like the shows budget has thinned out allot, the inventiveness of the writers is extraordinary! I have never seen anything so inventive in my entire life!!
Reply #32 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
CaptainYar.....I have one thing to say to this. Nice subtlety if you are referring to The Guide, and if not then it was funny nonetheless! Kudos to you!


Thank You GalenEvil. Yes it was definitely a reference to The Hitchickers Guide to the Galaxy. Haven't read it in over 15 years but that part always stuck with me. Thought the "end of the universe" was a dead give away. Good catch btw.


Ok so buck Rodgers won't be here yet then, gotta wait foir the 25th century. maybe he can show up in CalGiv3. ohhh i cant wait. yes Erin Grey.

Reply #33 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Alpha Centauri is about four-light years away. There’s a lot of empty space between us and this star. If you imagine Earth as small as a grain of sand, then Alpha Centauri would still be over 10 kilometers—or about 6 miles—away. Yet Alpha Centauri is the nearest star to our sun!

The only rockets now used to fly people into space are those like our American space shuttle. Shuttles travel only a few hundred kilometers into space. Again, if Earth were the size of a sand grain, this would be about the width of a hair in contrast to the 10 kilometers to Alpha Centauri. One would need about 10,000 shuttle main engines in sequence just to build up a decent speed (say, 1/100th light speed). So space shuttles are far from being star ships. About the closest vehicles we have to star ships currently are the Voyager spacecraft—launched from Earth 20 years ago—and now heading out of the solar system. The Voyagers aren’t aimed toward Alpha Centauri, but if they were, they’d take about 50,000 years to get there.

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ok sorry i see where i got the 50,000 years from.

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first of all they are R/D on stuff for space they have come up with reliable engines to power a shuttle faster then a rocket and need less fuel to do it in but they ain't as powerful as a rocket but u can us various designes of Ion Engines or other engines being designed by Private Sectors throughout the world....Once we do have the means to go 1 PSL then we would need something to help protect the ship from space particles out there....
Reply #34 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

When the game came out both the core and the expansion.... Stargate Movie and Series was out and they could have at least got some theories from there at least..


Actually, you have your dates mixed up. The original GalCiv came out in 1993, a year before the movie Stargate.


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I wasn't talking about GalCiv at the time i was talking about GalCiv 2 since i have never played GalCiv or heard of this game until i got my magazine and saw this game and wanted it and so i got it a few months after it came out... Srry to burst ur bubble but I was talking more into the 2nd game not the 1st one....
Reply #35 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
MAYBE the cylons are the borg? Maybe GalCiv2 should have Q as a mega event.
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I have a theory as to the operation of GalCiv2 Stargates, which I presented in my AAR 'The Endoran Coalition of Worlds.'

My theory is that the Stargates are like hyperspace catapults/slingshots. They wrap the ship in an energy field than send it hurtling through hyperspace towards the recieving gate, which pulls the ship out of hyperspace and into normal space. The reason Hyperspace engines are faster is because they can apply constant force, while the Stargates cannot. Plust they are just plain cheaper
Reply #36 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
^That's what it looks like in the Dread Lords opening movie. Some big spaceship just being sucked into a blue void by a stargate.


Alpha Centauri is about four-light years away. There’s a lot of empty space between us and this star. If you imagine Earth as small as a grain of sand, then Alpha Centauri would still be over 10 kilometers—or about 6 miles—away. Yet Alpha Centauri is the nearest star to our sun!

The only rockets now used to fly people into space are those like our American space shuttle. Shuttles travel only a few hundred kilometers into space. Again, if Earth were the size of a sand grain, this would be about the width of a hair in contrast to the 10 kilometers to Alpha Centauri. One would need about 10,000 shuttle main engines in sequence just to build up a decent speed (say, 1/100th light speed). So space shuttles are far from being star ships. About the closest vehicles we have to star ships currently are the Voyager spacecraft—launched from Earth 20 years ago—and now heading out of the solar system. The Voyagers aren’t aimed toward Alpha Centauri, but if they were, they’d take about 50,000 years to get there.

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ok sorry i see where i got the 50,000 years from.
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Nope, the Voyagers aren't the fastest things we've got. If we took the effort to build a decent spacecraft powered by existing ion engines and lots of fuel(both to generate electricity and thrust), it could go faster than the Voyagers with maybe 1-2 lucky gravitational slingshots. The problem is, it would take a very, very long time for existing xenon ion thrusters to hit 0.1c. This will change when the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket, or VASIMR, engine is perfected - accelerate fast and then go on an economy drive, but still accelerating at a much slower rate.

It's another thing that the Voyagers got the perfect launch window and got on to the interplanetary highway of several gravity slingshots - which is why they're as fast as they are.
Reply #37 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Nope, the Voyagers aren't the fastest things we've got
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they are the fastest things we have in space right now.


the fastest rocket we have in space is new horizon but it isn't going as fast as they are.
Reply #38 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

The stargates in GalCiv do not allow instantaneous travel.

They do not open up wormholes either.

This isn't SG-1. The Stargates in GalCiv fold space between the two stargates. Think of them as pinching the space between them to decrease the actual distance.

The ships that travel through are able to arrive much sooner than had they traveled through normal space. But it's not instantaneous.

The Drengin Empire (and Arcean Empire) are very ancient civilizations who had had a united world for eons.  They don't live significantly longer than humans, they simply are very patient in their undertakings.

The Drengin found the Torian home world via a probe, built a stargate and had it go out to the Torian world. Once it arrived, a Drengin strke force went through the Drengin stargate and emerged at the Torian stargate a few months.

 

Reply #39 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
sorry but the game story has it wrong about Stargate's.
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Well, similar to what was said above, I'll just turn the statement around:-

Sorry, but SG-1 and Atlantis may have it wrong about stargate's too.

Two different FICTIONAL stories. Two different versions of the same thing(only Galciv gate is supposedly bigger). Funny, I was just gonna write this this morning! But anyway, no offence, daniel.
Reply #40 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Two different FICTIONAL stories. Two different versions of the same thing(only Galciv gate is supposedly bigger). Funny, I was just gonna write this this morning! But anyway, no offence, daniel.
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non taken i just wanted talk about it.
Reply #41 from GalCiv2 Forums Top


This isn't SG-1. The Stargates in GalCiv fold space between the two stargates. Think of them as pinching the space between them to decrease the actual distance.

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Sounds like someone has read "A Wrinkle in Time".

Reply #42 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Think of a very high, very, very steep hill. That's space. Normally you'd have to up that hill and down the other side to reach your destination. The Stargate, however, creates a tunnel that forms a short, straight path from this side of the hill to the other side, so it's obviously much quicker. That would be 'pinching the space'.
Reply #43 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Nope, the Voyagers aren't the fastest things we've got


they are the fastest things we have in space right now.


the fastest rocket we have in space is new horizon but it isn't going as fast as they are.
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The Voyagers are fast because they got lots of gravitational slingshots from passing planets. That's because all the planets were in such a position to make that possible. Now they aren't. So now we can't go so fast using the 'Interplanetary Highway' method. It was an opportunity that the Voyagers had, and used to get that speed.

New Horizons got the fastest launch from Earth, so yes, it is our currently existing fastest spacecraft that isn't by chance - at least until the Dawn probe's triple ion thrusters have run for such a long time that it begins going faster than the conventional rocket-powered New Horizons.

The VASIMR, followed by fusion-augmented VASIMRS, fusion rockets, nuclear pulse propulsion, antimatter-catalyzed nuclear pulse propulsion, antimatter rockets, and finally FTL in some form appears to be the path for spacecraft propulsion technology, with each step getting much, much harder to achieve than the step before it.
Reply #44 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
-catalyzed nuclear pulse propulsion, antimatter rockets
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no antimatter rockets until we learn how to make lots of it fast.

finally FTL in some form
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we will get ftl when we feel that we need it.
Reply #45 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
The Voyagers are fast because they got lots of gravitational slingshots from passing planets. That's because all the planets were in such a position to make that possible. Now they aren't. So now we can't go so fast using the 'Interplanetary Highway' method. It was an opportunity that the Voyagers had, and used to get that speed.
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i know why their the fastest. i was just pointing out that they were at the moment. NASA thinks that voyager 1 may even be operating when it hits interstellar space in about 10 years.
Reply #46 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Think of a very high, very, very steep hill. That's space. Normally you'd have to up that hill and down the other side to reach your destination. The Stargate, however, creates a tunnel that forms a short, straight path from this side of the hill to the other side, so it's obviously much quicker. That would be 'pinching the space'.
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OK but the hyper drive is based on the Stargate.

meaning that the hyper drive itself should not be any faster than the Stargate. which means that you don't have to send out a robot or a generation ship to build a Stargate in the target system. except that you don't need two of them to create the tunnel. the later engines would change that of course.


which in game terms should mean that the engines such as impulse that have mutilpule tech research should only reduce the size of the engine not speed it up. which if i remember right is what they do. so never mind.
Reply #47 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
maybe a new tech research is to upgrade the Stargates for instant travail.
Reply #48 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
we will get ftl when we feel that we need it.
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I feel I need a McLaren F1(thats right, Ferrari ain't so great). Just because you want something doesn't mean you'll have it. FTL might be possible, but not in normal spacetime, real physics forbid that. For an outside spectator, time inside your ship would be going slower. Gravity's pull will become so distorted that the front(forward moving part) of your vessal will be moving faster then the back. Gravity's pull will increase and you will be ripped into pieces infinitesmally small.
Reply #49 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
this is not quite the same thing but close enough.



the country that first ran into the sound barrier was France under Napoleon.


we didn't break that barrier until almost hundred years later.


so again we will get ftl engines when we want them. however it will be done.


remember we have already broken the speed of light in the laboratory.
Reply #50 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
this is not quite the same thing but close enough.



the country that first ran into the sound barrier was France under Napoleon.


we didn't break that barrier until almost hundred years later.


so again we will get ftl engines when we want them. however it will be done.


remember we have already broken the speed of light in the laboratory.
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NOOOOOOO!
I wrote so much more disproving "when we need, we'll get" thing in the edit! Now i get access denied and I can't get back to the page to copy it. NOOOO! I was editing and you submitted a reply! So much text gone to waste. Nooo!