The kidnapping of my fear

TERROR??? TERROR??? HUH???? Whoever they tell us is a terrorist!!!!!!

Who is/was responsible for the following 20-21st Century terrorisms?
1. The Holocaust. Same nation starved to death 3 million Russian prisoners of war. Long list of other horrors.

2. Butchery of the Philippines 1900-1904, 10,000s dead.(Hint - read Mark Twain)

3. Phoenix program 1962-1975 Vietnam, 2 million civilians murdered & thousands of villages flattened.

4. 1965, 1 million Indonesian civilians murdered (back issues of NY Times will help.

5. 1960s 100,000 indigenous Guatemalans murdered by 2 nations ( Both nations supported apartheid regime in SA - 2nd had a woman PM Golda ......)

6. Tens of thousands of progressives murdered 1945- 2007, JFK, MLK, Black Panthers, Puerto Rican Nationalists, Arab Secular Progressives, Patrice Lumumba, etc....

7. Drugs sold in US Ghettos by US Govt (Hollywood actor President at the time). How many killed? Plus thousands of Nicaraguans in a US financed & waged 'Civil War.'

8. Iraq 1 & 2. 350,000 dead bodies.

9. Afganistan. Bin Laden has an apartment in the vicinity of DC. He'll be trotted out when convenient. Un less you believe he is hiding in that tiny sector of North Pakistan, just across the border from Afganistan.

10. The butcher of Ireland, Africa & India. Murderers of Pearse & Connely, & so many others.

11. Stalinist years.


Pardon me; I've got to go now. The 16 secret agencies are looking for me. When I have another hour, I'll finish the list.

As Karl Leibknecht said to the german Reichstad, "The enemy is at home." Remember Tolkien's teaching about the main weakness of mankind, The worship of (the ring of) power.

Thomas Jefferson wrote; "I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past."

Yes, very scary.
I think you either missed my point by decades or are so scared by propaganda that it would be best if you went and hid.
Read my post, None of the above past, present or perceived threats are going to make me s**t myself and quake in fear.
Some people build bunkers and hide, Some throw bombs just in case, some rational people despise global warmongers whatever their motivations or nationalities and get a grip on life. I'm in the rational camp.
I prefer to remember the atrocities, but despite them, get on with my life.

the answer to that is the same for governments and every other entity in existance except private citizens in the western world.... 'liability'

They wan't to reduce the possible liability of being blamed for not doing enough when somthing bad happens.

No i do not personally fear terrorism, however, i definately would never visit a muslim country!

Your confusing war crimes with terrorism.

so, it's their jobs that are at stake.
Does that really justify the scaremongering and therefore because of irrational fears allow them to perpetrate blatant liberty abuses upon not only us citizens but other sovereign nations.

NO IT DOESN'T.

If governments can't protect us without trying to panic us into giving up our freedoms and by proxy allow them to force their will on other nations then they're obviously incapable of rational thought and therefore political office.

All I've seen for years is the west bullying, intimidating and insulting the middle east and others. If that means we are scared to travel their then you only have western governments to blame.

We in the west have provoked and escalated this world disorder by governmental arrogance and hatred for different cultures. It is purely a power mad few desperate to enforce some global control.

Just don't expect me to agree with or be controlled by this nonsense.



He's just trying to cloud the issue

It's the people with integrity in the Western world who will tend to freak out like you guys are freaking out, given the present circumstances. Our governments are lying packs of sheit. Nevertheless, this is a gaming forum, and there are forums where you'll find people ready and eager to discuss these kind of things. I'd take these thoughts there.

I thought this was an off topic forum, or are are their rules on how off topic?



Whose freaking out? I'm just stating the obvious. Apart from those words, I agree.

Ah, sorry, I didn't realize this was an off-topic post! Please accept my apology about that.

It's just that I hadn't seen this kind of post for quite awhile, so I sort of assumed that someone was on acid or something. Not that these concerns are illegitimate! They're right-on, as far as I'm concerned. But I just didn't expect to see them in this context, that's all.

I personally hope that this current administration will be tried and convicted of its crimes. Yes, crimes. Crimes on numerous fronts. Today, for instance, they "confessed" that they had "lost" emails they had sent which had to do with firing federal prosecutors. It's all tremendously convenient.

Ohh hey pac-man 25 is coming out today..yippie ! ..ohh wait the real world is a lot more interesting

You got a point, Virtual assholes are far more fun than the home grown variety.

You and i, us the joe citizen is responible. Whenever we complain the government didn't do enough... shock horror, they do more! then we complain about that!! Citizens are stupid first, the government then follows.



Hatred of different cultures? yea your rite, I remember how America destroyed those budhist statues in Afganistan because of their hatred and intollerance of different cultures! No wait, that was the guys that America invaded who did that... um yea.. well sorry for my sarcasm but your dead wrong on that above quote.


Sadly, Islam is the purest definition of intollerance you will ever find in the world. It is the big achillies heel of an otherwise noble faith.

So what is the noble faith you speak of? The aggression in the Middle East springs only from the weakness of the countries and people in the Middle East and the corruption of their political leaders. And who set up their political system? History itself will show you that it was mostly England, Western Europe in general, and the US. Most recently, the US has been the most important factor.

Islam itself is a noble religion, indeed. It has only been corrupted in the same way as the Catholic religion was corrupted whenever Catholic countries had to fight intense wars. At least they have an excuse, but do we? They're fighting to survive and define themselves, whereas we're fighting to shop at cheap stores.

Thats crap, The people protested en masse, we as good as told Blaire not to go to war and he just ignored us, how is that my responsibility. But I do agree that we vote in our own idiots. But how does that help the sane minority. Just because loads of moronic tabloid readers vote for the "nicest" or at best "least annoying" warmonger shouldn't mean the rest of us shares the blame.




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one word, Christianity

I don't agree with your racism/bigotry though, depends where your intolerance lies.
Muslims are not all intolerant warmongers like the propaganda will have you believing. Just because the fanatical few are spread all over the news doesn't mean their bad as a whole, far from it.

I suggest you learn something about Islam before you paint every Muslim as a warmongering bigot.


This doesn't get you off the hook.

I fail to see how that explains the destruction of the buddhist statues?

The destruction of those statues stands in testimony to the true nature and cause behind all of the worlds strife today.... islamic intollerance.

Read some history to see what kinds of "shrines" the Western World has destroyed.

Countries at war tend to destroy things that other countries hold sacred. Does this somewhat explain why radical Muslims, who were also radical politically, would destroy Budist statues when they were trying to dominate an area totally? Have you heard of how the Allies fire-bombed many old German cities, even when the war was decidedly over? And those cities had no military value. This has been proven by historians.

In other words, I'm trying to show that I don't think it's any religion's fault that Muslims tend to be the terrorists in the world at this point in time. It's rather a factor of history and situation. And I think that those who want to blame these problems on a religion are ignorant of the very disturbed history of the Middle East in the 20th century. And sadly, now in the 21st.

The only other parrallel in history which resembles the Islam of today would be the Spanish inquisition. And what did we all learn from that super sized mistake of history? Well if your Muslim, apparantly nothing!!

Mystik, what's the point of being so deep in hatred?

Sorry, the hypocritical nature of Islamic intollerance just urks me.

there is more... i know for a fact that as a non muslim, i am viewed as being a 'lesser' being, even by peaceful muslims. Can i marry a muslim woman? no.

It is human nature to be urked at those that view you as inferior

So where the hell were you guys whenever I was saying this stuff? Left me hanging like that... sheesh!

Perhaps your government isn't trying to scare you, but give you the facts about the way things are in the world. These feelings towards the West in general, and most notably, the UK and US, are nothing new. We have pretty much had war declared uon us since the mid 70's, but until recently we've ignored it, ever when terrorist acts were done. It could probaby be dated to just after WW2 when many of those countires were given the right to govern themselves when Engalnd and France gave up their colonies (Iraq and Syria respecively).

If your government is scaring you maybe that means theres something to fear, an ever growing group who will not tolerate anything that is not them. And others within that group who are so strict as to condemn anyone who does not meet their own view of a moral code. (I think about the guy in Somalia who was killed for watching a soccer game on TV a year or so ago). These groups have no demands other than the complete surrendering of our way of life and the adopting of theirs. They feel that killing us is completely justified and is in fact rewarded in the afterlife, dieing in the process only makes them more reveered.

Having Speakers-of-the House meet with the leaders of the goverments sponsoring these groups only makes us look weak and emboldens them to continue their efforts. "Look at the US suing for peace, begging for mercy". Our inaction or half-hearted responses to all the actions against us, from the time Iranian students held our embassy hostage for all that time until the second attack on the World Trade Center has made us look like paper tigers. The same image that gave the Japanese of the WW2 era the idea that a single attack on Pearl Harbor would win the war, since the rich-fat-lazy Americans would never want to get messy.

Strange, none of the many Muslims I know personally have ever treated me as a 'lesser' being. And as for the marrying a Muslim woman, as a Christian, my own scripture tells me that I should not marry a non-Christian. And, for what it's worth, I agree with that. I am greatful that my wife and I share our religious values and there is no conflict in how our children should be raised.

Here in Australia there was a big news story when a visiting muslim cleric announced that a muslim can never have non muslim freinds. Well non muslims are afterall, evil 'infidels'.

Yes it is a Christian recomendation not to marry outside your faith, however i think the days of persecuting christians for defying this have long passed. It is still common practice for muslims who marry outside their faith to be persecuted or even killed.

I must say that i am not trying to bag the muslim faith, i am just pointing out what upsets me about it.

I have posted before in defence of the muslim faith! I even stated that the muslim faith will likely be the only force to stand against the antichrist - due to it's high degree of uncompramising and uncorruptable nature.

One example is the christian churches movement towards acceptance of homosexuality. If the christian church can accept that, then it is pretty much open slather to accept who knows what else! The muslim faith will not compramise in this same way and i do admire that. It means that muslims will be less inclined to be led astray by the antichrist.

Have you read the Book of Revelation?





What movemment is this? Never heard or have seen any talk of this nature. Also, The Chirstian religion is for all those who accept Jesus as the world's savior. (the only uncorruptable One). There are many straight Christians who comit adultery all the time, ever if its just with their eyes and mind. Who are they to judge.

Yea, Muslim's are uncorruptable, If a man feels lust, the woman gets blamed and severely punished. So of course the man is not at all corrupted, he's clean of any wrong doing, the poor guy was a victim. This is not a judgement, its just they way things are. You eve hear about how rapes are pursued?!?

So it's not ok for mulsims to persecute other people, but it is ok for "christians" to persecute people with a different sexual orientation?