I agree there are still many great people on here I have a lot of respect for. I mentioned the most popular threads, by reply count. I am a GCII addict and come here several times a day and the two threads have been at or near the top for a while now. One of them died only to be resurrected as this one gained strength. Alas, I am here to judge noone, but I'm probably not the only one to notice that the ones egging such things on are a relatively small number of the same people. Now I seem to be asking for it  

First of all, this is hilarious. Lord Pinko started this thread and, amazingly, it has stayed on topic. Today is a wonderful day for DOOM.

Second, Lord Pinko gets into fights with real hooligans. I think he can withstand my shots.

Shadowmaster is a one man riot between his locked up "War of words" meltdown and his famous last words--"I am the weakness therefore I am the strength."

Tell that to the Yor, Shadow. Watch what happens.

And you, sir Atticus, are just a bad salesmen. Take a closer look at these forums. The on topic discussions are _very_ informative. Mumble et al. taught me how to play this game just by posting their perspective on aspects of GC2. All of the insanity stays restricted to OFF TOPIC.

If you can't get your friends to play GC2 because of a bunch of dorks bantering in the proper area, you didn't have a deal to begin with. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you like GC2. If so, why would you make an irresponsible comment that somehow what happens in OFF TOPIC has any bearing on game sales?

Boy, now I'm really confused.

It's not a disability unless you view it as one.

Marc, absolutly admirable and amazing. You've always seemed so mature for someone so young. But to have overcome such adversity, I don't really know what to say.

this is getting ridiculous. When people come here and see the most popular threads are nothing more than flame wars, it really looks bad on this entire community

DethAdder, I absolutely agree. I think this is what I've been trying to say for quite some time as well.

I see different valid points of view every which way I look. I see very complex stories and yet I'm only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I see goodness and evil and every shade of gray in between. I see people essentially baring glimpses into their souls. Who's right and who's wrong? I can’t answer these questions. I don’t really know who could. When you get right down to it these aren’t very fun topics to discuss.

What happened to whether or not it’s better to play as the Torian or the Drath? Should your first build be a factory or a market? Is it better to use fleets with large numbers of small hulled ships or fewer numbers of large hulled ships? These are questions I can answer and discuss and talk about. These are topics that are fun to talk about and don’t make people mad at each other.

This is a game site. It’s not a get in touch with your feelings site. It’s not dedicated to the solution of the worlds problems. It’s a game. It should be fun. But this has become not fun. That’s why I don’t like these threads.

I am just tired of seeing these kind of threads hanging around, and like DethAdder said in the most popular threads. I am just worried that people are going to be turned off by these flame wars.

What happened to whether or not it’s better to play as the Torian or the Drath? Should your first build be a factory or a market? Is it better to use fleets with large numbers of small hulled ships or fewer numbers of large hulled ships?

Maybe when the DA beta hits in a couple weeks, all this mischievous energy we all seem to have will be directed back into the game.

I said it before, and I'll say it again - I wish the Off-Topic discussions were excluded from the Recent Posts listing. I think that's the sole reason why these few active nasty threads risk giving newcomers a bad impression. If they were tucked away out of sight in the Off-Topic forum, then that would be one thing. Unfortunately, however, they're mixed in with the game-related posts on the post listing that greets users when they first come here.

I said it before, and I'll say it again - I wish the Off-Topic discussions were excluded from the Recent Posts listing. I think that's the sole reason why these few active nasty threads risk giving newcomers a bad impression.

Excellent idea. Could perhaps this be made into a poll question and possibily some action taken based on the results?

It's clear there are free speech issues involved, it's clear that some people love these things and it's also clear there's a segment of the community that has a legitimate concern that these threads damage the community.

It would be like shoving the people that like these into the basement as 2nd class citizens which is a bit distasteful to me but the discord these things spawn is distasteful to me as well.

It would be like shoving the people that like these into the basement as 2nd class citizens which is a bit distasteful to me but the discord these things spawn is distasteful to me as well.

It's more like hosting a party where a few of the house guests insist on having a bleching contest, so you turn up the music so the sounds don't frighten the other arriving guests.

The BNP (British Nationalist Party) are a sorry excuse for a political party who get away with their blatant racism and violence under the cover of being "Pro British". And pinko, for burning down their HQ and fighting them on the street, is a hypocrite. Fight violence with more violence, because that's always been known to solve the worlds problems.

So us fighting them and then some of our members burning them, makes us as bad a them?

12 September 2006
BMP members beat and mugged two elderly women of Asian descent one died later in the DRI (derby royal infirmary)

1 October 2006
A black boy was taken to hospital after being beaten by a gang of youths
The gang (derby orphans) closely related to the BNP have been charged of racially aggravated assault after pro racist propaganda was found in the homes of all five

20 October 2006
Luke Richmond (a good friend of mind) was beaten to death in Ripley (north of derby)
by drunken BNP members, repeated stamps to the head caused his scull integrity to collapse


as bad as that are we?

It's more like hosting a party where a few of the house guests insist on having a bleching contest, so you turn up the music so the sounds don't frighten the other arriving guests.

In this case it's probably closer to a farting contest rather than belching.   

On the more serious side, perhaps this is a solution to what I think is a problem. I'd like to hear more people weigh in on the issue both pro and con. In reality, I'm not absolutly sure which way I would vote, though it's clear I lean towards banning these threads to the basement. But then again, I like a lot of the folks that seem to like these threads.

Lordpinko, just what is your purpose here?

All of your posts are in Off-Topic. None of them are game related.

And from what I can see, you are just trying to stir up dissension.

I dont like to add to the debate over the spelling moaners, but if they continuously carry on then i would like to see them warned and eventually banned from these forums. Their constant whining is becoming a drain in these forums. Enough of a drain that i and a lot of other people now can not be bothered to post on a regular basis as unsurprisingly one of these moaning idiots jumps in and moans over every single spelling mistake in a post.

Guys grow up and give people a little understanding. not everyone spells every word correctly and if you dont like this i would suggest you head off to a different forum and complain there as your constant moaning here has grown way too thin for the rest of us.
I dont like to see a witch hunt but if you guys dont shut up and stop your constant moaning i for one am going to lead a petition to the Dev's to ban you from these forums for the greater good of the forums. People that constantly provide no positive comments to a thread and instead go out of their way to destroy that thread have no place in these, or any, forums!

Guys you know who you are and i plead with you to stop destroying the threads with your negative comments. All you succeed in doing is driving people away from the topics and ruin a good community spirit.

Lordpinko, just what is your purpose here? All of your posts are in Off-Topic. None of them are game related. And from what I can see, you are just trying to stir up dissension. Moosetek13View Moosetek13's ProfileEmail Moosetek13Find Posts By Moosetek13

And from what I can see you are just bitching about everything I do.

And why should I not post off topic.
When righting the first post of this thread I was hoping to have a adult conversation, fat chance, you among others have done nothing but bitch about things that most people would just ignore.

from what I can see your just a shit stirrer.

Why are you guys arguing? For the fun of arguing? Or cause the topic merits it? Just curious.

I don't know ask Moosetek13

from what I can see your just a shit stirrer.

You being stirred?

Will one of the Devs/mods PLEASE lock this topic. This has gone far enough!!

This thread serves no purpose in these forums other than to shock new members into never posting. Please get rid of this topic!!!

Locking this topic is not sufficient. The next one will simply sprout shortly. These types of threads have been locked and the topic and conversation merely shifts to the next thread. The problem has nothing to do with the title of the original post. It isn't even really about spelling and grammar. It's about people that enjoy arguing.

I think the solution has to accept the realities of forum life as they've been demonstrated. The fact that these things come up over and over again points out the fact that they must satisfy some need. To say, lock this thread and don't ever allow another one like it, can never work because that won't satisfy the demonstrated need.

You could also say, the reason this happens is because there are a core set of people that like to argue and bash each other, let's just kick all these people off the forums. This could work but it's an awful extreme solution that casts a very wide net. I don't know if I'd really enjoy the police state that this policy may create.

I like Cauldyth's idea of sending these threads into the basement by just not listing the Off Topic posts in the recent posts list. To even see the topics you would need to specifically select the Off Topic Forum. There they would be free to fulfill the need they obviously serve, but not offend newcomers and be more easily ignored by folks who just find these threads a bother.

Providing a safe outlet for this activity may even help keep some of this type of behavior from creeping into more explicitly game related posts. Also, otherwise respected members of the community that may be closet arguers could take an occasional trip to the basement, let off some steam and not have that held against them. I think it’s a good solution to the problem.

I feel this problem needs to be addressed in it’s entirety which requires a comprehensive solution, whatever it may be. The occasional locking of threads and the temporary banning of the blatantly worst offender’s has been proven to not be sufficient.

I don't think it's productive to endlessly argue. However, this thread doesn't really bother me all that much for a few reasons. Firstly, I'm not personally involved, maybe I'd feel differently if I were. Secondly, while I enjoy the forum, receive help, insights, post complaints/bugs, or simply enjoy reading, it is not a significant portion of my life and thus its impact is small. Thirdly, it is unlikely that new people would really read every single thread. More likely they would gravitate to threads whose subject indicates an area of assistance or advice they would like for gameplay. I believe the folks who read every thread are folks who have been around long enough that the game itself is no longer all-consuming and who are already aware of how great a community it is in general, despite certain threads. I might also point out that the folks who hate these types of threads have every right to voice (or text) that sentiment though it seems counterproductive; to wit, every reply sends this thing right back to the top, including this post. The best way for it to die is to ignore it. Also, I imagine stardock may be contacted to review complaints for certain threads to determine whether or not to lock them.

I would like to point out that shelding new members from threads like this is hiding what the forum is realy like and it would be better that they see this and never join, than they find out about it through a flaming then leave anyway.

I would like to point out that shelding new members from threads like this is hiding what the forum is realy like and it would be better that they see this and never join, than they find out about it through a flaming then leave anyway.

Only one spelling error? Use of punctuation? Who are you and what have you done with Lord Pinko?

Nice constructive comment from you as per normal eh??

You guys spend way too much time seeing who can piss the furthest and not enough time playing the video games.

Indeed!

I might also point out that the folks who hate these types of threads have every right to voice (or text) that sentiment though it seems counterproductive; to wit, every reply sends this thing right back to the top, including this post. The best way for it to die is to ignore it.

You're absolutely correct. But, this thread never dies. Yes, this one particular thread will die or be locked, but as soon as that happens another comes along to take it's place. I believe if all those who say they don't like these types of threads instantly and forever stopped posting to them, they still would never end, they'ed just have a bit less traffic. I agree that would be a good thing in and of itself, but it's still not a solution.

It's good if these threads don't bother you, but it's also clear that there are many that are bothered by them. I still think this is a problem and it's a problem that won't go away with the simple locking of an individual thread or the banning of a few individuals.

I also think very little goes on here without Stardock's knowledge and at least their implicit approval. The only thing that we really can do is to voice our feelings so that Stardock has an idea of how many people *are* bothered by these threads. I think the prevailing attitude has been that as long as they don't actually draw blood, they're OK. But that attitude may also be based on the assumption that the bulk of the community isn't really bothered by these threads.

long post Mumblefratz LOL.

word man,word.

I'm bothered