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Tangent/Lightning Problem - Please help *SOLVED*

May 31, 2018 7:54:00 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire ForumsSins of a Solar Empire Forums

Hi,

please could someone help me? I've after long time of peace again encountered a very persistent tangent problem. I hate XSI... or my modelling skills. Or both.

Problem is as follows: the tangent map looks fine in XSI. The vertex normals are angle-weighted vertex normals generated with MeshLabs. Also they are normalised. Mesh uses its own set of UVs, based on a cubic projection and then refined.

In Sins the model is lighted 90 degrees off - if the light comes from the side, the model is lighted from behind. Also the selfshadowing is completely off

Tangent:

Tangent map

 

Ingame screenshot:

Ingame Screenshot

 

I'm grateful for any help or advise.

Thanks
Tobias

 

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Reply #1 June 1, 2018 8:14:02 PM
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Tangents in XSI are evil. Sadly I usually resort to redoing them again if I get a weird issue like this where XSI shows one thing and Sins shows another. Maybe Lavo, MyFist, or Max might have more insight if you track them down.

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Reply #2 June 2, 2018 6:47:46 AM
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Thanks. I already redid them once including recalculating the normals.

lat time I had this problem it went away after starting a new game. This time it didn’t work.

the first time I had this I had to redo the complete model.

 

I wish someone could tell me what the reason for such problems is. I hate the xsi/sins combo 

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Reply #3 June 2, 2018 1:41:35 PM
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Use Property-UItimapper, then Scene-Material-Simple-Tangent 45>180 and can export model, shadows look like normal

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Reply #4 June 3, 2018 6:11:48 PM
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Quoting GRAVICH,
reply 3

Use Property-UItimapper, then Scene-Material-Simple-Tangent 45>180 and can export model, shadows look like normal

Not sure what you want me to use the ultimapper for. And what is Scene-Material-Simple-Tangent 45>180?

Do you mean I need to change the TangentOp2 Smoothing from 45 to 180? That would change the behavior how light bleeds from one poly to the next. If you like to assist may I send you the file in question and you send me back the corrected XSI file so that I can see what needs to be done?

 

Thanks
Tobias

 

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Reply #5 June 3, 2018 9:09:01 PM
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Ok, send me xsi file

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Reply #6 June 10, 2018 10:36:37 AM
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Semt it, forgot subject though.  

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Reply #7 June 15, 2018 7:13:23 PM
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I  am so stupid!! I forgot to copy the red channel of the normal map to the alpha channel.    

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Reply #8 June 15, 2018 10:55:06 PM
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
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I  am so stupid!! I forgot to copy the red channel of the normal map to the alpha channel.    

Wow, I had no idea it could make that big of a difference.

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Reply #9 June 16, 2018 6:42:16 AM
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Quoting GoaFan77,
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Quoting TobiWahn_Kenobi,
reply 7

I  am so stupid!! I forgot to copy the red channel of the normal map to the alpha channel.    



Wow, I had no idea it could make that big of a difference.

seems drastic, doesn’t ist? But if we equate different grayscale values to different vector strength then having everything white throws the light equation off by quite a huge amount

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