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Twilight: Tolmekian's TechTree Fix v3.51 Release 05-10-13

Twilight: Tolmekian's TechTree Fix v3.51 Release 05-10-13

Purpose of the mod:

 This mod addresses widespread errors in the TotA TechTree.xml files.  These errors pretty much broke many of the unique TechTrees, causing the AI to pursue a deeply flawed research strategy and outright preventing the research of many techs.  Part of the fix included rearranging a number of the TechTrees to fix the seemingly random arrangement of some techs and reduce the number of branches for the AI to get sidetracked on.  Along the way, I ended up fixing many UP issues, planetary improvements, starbase modules, and did some general improvement and balancing on individual techs.

This mod is a direct result of MarvinKosh's Space Weapons Fix Mod, which provided the inspiration.  A lot of my development commentary and good input from other modders working on their own fixes is in that topic.  Thanks MarvinKosh, Quaternus, deweyjohn, TOV, foxthree, qrtxian and all others for input and support.

 


05-10-13: v3.51 release

Update to fix some errors in v3.5. 

  • Because I forgot to mention for the 3.5 release: The Hyperion improvements (shipyard, shrinker, logistics, resupply) are now all Galactic Achievements instead of Super Projects.  No more collecting shrinkers :o, it really matters who builds these things.
  • I would also like to add a special thanks to Gaunathor for extensive proofreading, playtesting, and feedback.  His contributions have played a big part in me continuing the work, fixing/improving even more than I originally intended, and finally putting out a (more or less) finished product after all this time.  It's fair to say that without him, this mod wouldn't be nearly what it is.  Thanks.

04-28-13: v3.5 release

 

Here it is, the more or less finished product after all this time.  It's been about a year since I put this project down, so I'm a bit fuzzy on what exactly I did before coming back to finish it up.  I'm pretty sure I've got the major things nailed down, though.  Let's see:

 

  • Fixed those minor but embarrassing typos that made it into v3.0
  • Standardized the cost vs maintenance vs output ratios for the various improvement.  Now every race can be content with their own improvements and not shop around for the obvious best.  You can now upgrade to Industrial Sectors without fretting about the inefficiencies.
    • In general, costs went down, sometimes a lot.  Maintenance costs were also reduced or eliminated on many improvements.  No more taking years upon years to develop a planet only to have the game end immediately thereafter.

 

  • Made starting techs that allow a bottom-tier improvement for many of the improvement lines.  The idea being to allow the AI access to each type of improvement and allow balanced planet development - no filling up planets before researching basic improvements.
    • eg. Races that use the "normal" economic structures (banks, stock markets, etc) now start with Market Economics, which allows construction of the Market Center.
    • If you make a custom tech tree, this allows you to select the base techs for your tree without needing conflicting "history" techs to unlock basic improvements.
  • Rounded out the Temple morale improvements, so Altarians and Drath have a progression of decent improvements unlocked by various techs, starting with Spiritual Happiness.
  • Did away entirely with farms, charging stalks, etc.  Replaced them with a universal, one-per-planet improvement that gives a bonus to pop growth and %food.
  • Did away with Advanced Extreme Colonization techs.  Now only one tech is required for each type of extreme planets.
  • Now every tech tree includes the Government techs and Planetary Defense Techs.  No good reason for some races to go without.
  • Omega Research Center: Now with more awesome.  No longer just a watered down tech capital, the Omega Research Center is a Galactic Achievement worthy of the title.
    • Speaking of watered down Tech Capital . . . I watered down the Tech Capital.  Kind of.  Bonus from 100% to 50%, but it now generates 14tp on its own.  Which leads to the next point . . .
  • All improvements that give a bonus to manufacturing or research now also generate their own mp or tp proportional to the bonus.  This is to counteract the sometimes painful misplacement of these improvements by the AI.
  • The evil races (Drengin, Korath, Yor) got a lot of attention during 3.5 development due to general lack of competitiveness.
    • Now have access to all 4 types of capitals (economic, technological, political, manufacturing) or an equivalent structure.
    • Drengin got a couple new unique techs - Superior Warships and Fleet Domination - which boost stats and unlock Galactic Achievements to speed their conquest of the galaxy.
    • Korath have a new Galactic Achievement - the Aul Incinerator.  Out with the one-per-planet suckfest and in with something that you'll actually want.
    • Don't think the Yor got any new stuff, but some stuff is easier to get and the Manufacturing Vortex and Distributed Energy Matrix got pretty big buffs.
  • Sprinkled a couple speed bonuses in the basic techs to speed things up a bit.  Basically, the AI never designs ships with engines and ends up late game with ships that move 3 or 4 per turn.  Now we're looking at 6 or 7.
  •  Uuuuuh . . . I think that's the major stuff.
  • Enjoy!

TechTree Fix v3.51 with Dumb Old Minors: I did nothing to the minor races here.  If you want the same dumb minors you've always known and loved, this is the mod for you.

TechTree Fix v3.51 with Smart Old Minors: Same old minors that still won't colonize, but I added code to make them play to the best of the  AI's ability.  I gave them respectable descriptions, modest bonuses, and changed out the silly race images to reflect their upgrade.  Since they can't colonize, they'll send out a bunch of freighters and actually send constructors to grab up a lot of the resources while the majors are still colonizing.  They still get slaughtered when it comes down to it, but I've had fun watching them.  It's also interesting to see the majors make a ton of regular starbases since there are fewer resources to grab.

TechTree Fix v3.51 with MoOII MinorsThe MoOII minors in this mod will colonize and behave pretty much like weak majors.  Much larger than the other mods due to the RaceImage and RaceLogo files. If you try this mod, remember to use the "quick save fix".  That is, the minors won't start behaving like majors until you save and reload.  So, start your game, quicksave, reload, and enjoy.

TechTree Fix v3.51 with MoOII and Smart Old Minors: Why not?  If you want a little variety, I packaged up both versions of the minors in one mod.  Your minors could be one, the other, or a mix of both.  Still be sure to use the quick-save fix, or your MoOII minors won't play nice.  I haven't tested this arrangement, but I can't see why it won't work.  (famous last words.)


03-04-12: v3.0 Release

v3.0 continues the work, this time focusing on starbase modules and planetary improvements, particularly Galactic Achievements, Super Projects, and Trade Goods.  Also included is a wonderful conversation mod, kindly contributed by qrtxian.  His mod fixes the errors in the GC2_Conversations.xml, so now you can enjoy all the unique dialogue as intended.

Highlights

  • All fleet modules that were removed in v2.0 are restored.  That's the fleet attack/defense and fleet warp bubbles, etc.
  • Entire Starbase Fortification branch removed.  The attack, defense, and assist modules were spread uniformly among the appropriate weapons and defense techs.
  • Enhanced Battle Stations starbase modules and added equivalent Starbase Defenses modules.
  • No more easy pickings, expect to see some well armed starbases.
  • Addressed a limitation where the AI will only use the first 100 starbase modules in the xml file.  Rearranged, removed, and edited starbase modules to ensure the most basic and useful modules are AI accessible.
  • Evil weapons and good defenses are now available at every weapon/defense level, instead of only at the end.
  • Extensive changes to Galactic Achievements, Super Projects, and Trade Goods.  I went after them with the idea that every one should be a "must have".  Costs reduced and AI values increased to ensure the AIs actually have a chance to build them, given their inability to plan planetary improvements.
  • Edit to add - All the trade goods now have a unique icon rather than a stack of boxes.  Except the Xinathium Hull Plating.  I figured that would still come in boxes.    I chose from among the unused icons that come with the game, so they may not be perfect.  They are, in my opinion, better than the boxes.
  • Two previously unused Galactic Achievements brought into play: the Life Force Extractor and Historical Preserve.  Two new GAs introduced: the Benevolent Research Center and Trade Nexus.  All four new GAs are unlocked by ethics techs.
  • Introduced new ethics techs to split up the multiple GAs and SPs unlocked by them.  Ethics techs now also provide a small bonus, so those who don't get the GAs don't waste their research.
  • Further optimizing and balancing.  My last playtests were some of the most balanced I've ever seen.  Sure, sometimes there are runaway monsters and pitiful also-rans, but overall it's pretty good.
  • All races are still set to AIPersonality 11, or Generic.  The Altarians, Arceans, and Korx default to their unique AIP when set to 11.  You can still use AIP 8 (Thalan, Human, Drath, Krynn) and 7 (Drengin, Korath, and Yor) if you want to mix things up, but there are special considerations.  First, AIP 7 is flawed in that it won't colonize outside of its influence sphere.  In order to stand a chance, you need to use Abundant Planets, Abundant Habitables, Abundant or Common Stars, and Tight of Loose Clusters.  Then, you need to Ctrl-n until you get a galaxy where the AIP 7s have enough stars within their influence.  Other than that, AIP 7 and 8 will perform pretty well.  Their research is somewhat flawed (no Xeno Ethics, for example) and they're hyper militant, but they seem to compete well.
  • Edit to add - While trying to improve the Arceans, I tested their TechTree with regular engines instead of their unique navigation techs.  I kept the navigation techs in the standard Arcean TechTree, but also left the Arcean-Eng tree in.

I think that's most of it.  Without further ado, here it is:

TechTree Fix v3.0 with Dumb Old Minors: I did nothing to the minor races here.  If you want the same dumb minors you've always known and loved, this is the mod for you.

TechTree Fix v3.0 with Smart Old Minors: Same old minors that still won't colonize, but I added code to make them play to the best of the  AI's ability.  I gave them respectable descriptions, modest bonuses, and changed out the silly race images to reflect their upgrade.  Since they can't colonize, they'll send out a bunch of freighters and actually send constructors to grab up a lot of the resources while the majors are still colonizing.  They still get slaughtered when it comes down to it, but I've had fun watching them.  It's also interesting to see the majors make a ton of regular starbases since there are fewer resources to grab.

TechTree Fix v3.0 with MoOII MinorsThe MoOII minors in this mod will colonize and behave pretty much like weak majors.  Much larger than the other mods due to the RaceImage and RaceLogo files. If you try this mod, remember to use the "quick save fix".  That is, the minors won't start behaving like majors until you save and reload.  So, start your game, quicksave, reload, and enjoy.

TechTree Fix v3.0 with MoOII and Smart Old Minors: Why not?  If you want a little variety, I packaged up both versions of the minors in one mod.  Your minors could be one, the other, or a mix of both.  Still be sure to use the quick-save fix, or your MoOII minors won't play nice.  I haven't tested this arrangement, but I can't see why it won't work.  (famous last words.)


Update 01-07-12: v2 Release

After nearly a year, here it finally is.  Details can be found in this post.

v1.1 Notes:

  • Extract the zipped folders into: C:\Program Files\Stardock Games\GalCiv2\Twilight\mods  This is the pathway for my Impule-downloaded version.  In any case, put it into the mods folder in the Twilight folder.
  • The TechTree Fix is optimized for AIPersonality 11 (Altarian, Arcean, Korx, and Generic).  AIPs 7 and 10 are pretty much broken, and AIP 8 has certain issues that require me to do another round of optimization and testing for any race that I want to set as 8.  I set all races to AIP 11 in the mod.  You can change the setting, but it will change the way the AI pursues research.
  • My detailed change log is included in the folder.  I'd include it here for everyone to see, but it's a 15 page Word file.  It lists all the changes that I made to the techs, improvements, modules and issues.  It also includes every iteration of AIValue for each tech, so you can see just how many times I had to tweak some of them.
  • Additonal Highlights:
    • Fixes broken UP Issue "Add two trade routes".  It proposed 2 trade routes, then called for a vote on 0,1,2,3, or 4.  That vote was broken and didn't work.  It's now yes/no for 2 trade routes.
    • Restores 3 Galactic Achievements by fixing Tech Requirements: The Galactic Stock Exchange, Galactic Monument, and Hyper-Distribution Center are once again available with the proper techs.
    • Fixes error in some starbase modules that caused attack bonus to be misstated in the starbase summary.
    • Fixes Temple of Neutrality, which was a cut-and-paste of Temple of Righteousness.  That means the tourism penalty affected good races.  Now it affects neutral civs and not good ones.
    • Fixes Planetary Defense improvement so it now actually gives +25% Planetary Defense.
    • Fixes a number of errors in descriptions of techs and improvements.  Unfortunately, I didn't fix the error in the Temple of Righteousness/Neutrality/Evil descriptions.  They don't affect trade income, only tourism.
    • Fixes a number of errors in the TechTree xml that prevented the entire TechTree from being displayed in the xml viewer.
    • There's a few more in there.

 

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Reply #426 Top

Quoting Tolmekian, reply 409
I have been plagued by all the AIs choosing the same weapon, though.  I used to get a little variation, but my last three or four tests have been 100% for one weapon.  It's pretty lame.  I'm pretty sure it's determined during galaxy setup, or something.  Even all the colony ships had 1 beam.
End of Tolmekian's quote

Well it's been about a year now and I'm hankering for another Immense map GalCiv2TOTA game lol, it's nice to see how your Mod has progressed but again I'm curious about the way AI's choose weapons. I'm apprehensive about starting into a big game before trying to figure out if there will be any variation in what the AI's choose to keep things interesting. Do you have any plans to try and address this in your next mod release Tolmekian?

If not I was going to try and address it myself by just cutting out certain weapon branches from different races tech trees and forcing them to pick one specific line of weapons. Like say have the Drengin only able to have missiles, the Terrans only have access to beams and such. The reasoning behind this is when I eventually go to war with certain races (I always play an evil custom race, my avatar is there race leader haha) I know what I'll be facing so I'll have to invest in research to specific defence technologies to combat specific races. Better than just knowing they'll all pick one weapon branch (beam) I have to defend from. So for example the Drengin start a war with me whilst I'm slugging it out with the Terrans it would change the game alot. Do you think just chopping out whole weapon tech lines out of tech trees would work, or would the AI start doing weird stuff that would cripple them late into a game?

Also I just wanted to say thanks again for continuing your work on this mod.

Reply #427 Top

I'd be wary of trying to force AI weapon choices that way, AgentPiltdown.  The AI seems to choose weapon types at the beginning of the game, and I would guess that it has no way to tell which weapon types are actually in the TechTree.  So, your missile Drengin could end up choosing beams at the outset and have a strong bias against researching missiles and no missile boats in the shipbuilder.  That said, I can't be certain of how the AI would react.  Perhaps it would be forced into researching the only available weapons and that research would trigger the ship designer to spit out appropriate ships for them.  If you try it, let me know how it turns out.  I can't think of any other way to force weapon choice, though.

Reply #428 Top

Ok, so here I am at the very end of v3.1.  I decided to go for farming techs that unlock upgrades to the capital and colonies, but ran into a small problem.  If you make an upgrade for the Initial Colony, it works fine for regular colonies.  Problem is, that upgrade will be available to build on the Civ Capital.  Likewise for an upgraded capital - you could build one on each colony.

How to get around that problem?  I tried a PlacementLimit of zero, but that ends up being no PlacementLimit at all.  The only other solution I can think of is to have one upgrade that targets both the Initial Colony and Civ Capital.  Problem with that is that the Civ Capital looses its special bonuses and ends up becoming a Level 2,3 or 4 Colony.

Other than that, I'm pretty much done.  If we can't figure it out, then it's back to +% farms and out the door it goes.

Reply #429 Top

I suppose the real question is, what does the AI do with its civ capital when it unlocks that tech?  If it doesn't auto-upgrade it chances are it won't spontaneously decide to upgrade it.

Reply #430 Top

Couldn't the "Civilization Capital" be a Mark 3 or 4 Colony (or equal to)? Certainly in the early days, a civilization's capital would be better than that of colonies, but as colonies progress it isn't that odd that they become true metropoles of their own. I personally wouldn't object to making the capital become relatively less powerful as time passes (in a way it already happens with the political, manufacturing, technological and economical capital structures in the game).

I'm no GalCiv modder so I'm not sure what you can do to the civilization capital (you have to prevent it from being downgraded to a mark 2, unless the mark 2 is just as good as the CivCap, which can be done by weakening the civ capital, or strengthening the Mark2).

Reply #431 Top

Quoting MarvinKosh, reply 429
I suppose the real question is, what does the AI do with its civ capital when it unlocks that tech?  If it doesn't auto-upgrade it chances are it won't spontaneously decide to upgrade it.
End of MarvinKosh's quote

I think I was a bit unclear.  The AI auto-upgrades as appropriate, but then will be able to build another Initial Colony/Civ Capital, whichever one the planet doesn't already have.  So each planet could end up with both a colony and a capital.

Quoting HighWater, reply 430
Couldn't the "Civilization Capital" be a Mark 3 or 4 Colony (or equal to)? Certainly in the early days, a civilization's capital would be better than that of colonies, but as colonies progress it isn't that odd that they become true metropoles of their own. I personally wouldn't object to making the capital become relatively less powerful as time passes (in a way it already happens with the political, manufacturing, technological and economical capital structures in the game).

I'm no GalCiv modder so I'm not sure what you can do to the civilization capital (you have to prevent it from being downgraded to a mark 2, unless the mark 2 is just as good as the CivCap, which can be done by weakening the civ capital, or strengthening the Mark2).
End of HighWater's quote

I like this idea.  A version of it crossed my mind, but I'm unsure how to make it work.  The chain of upgrades needs to continue unbroken - so the Capital would have to be upgraded by the Level 2 Colony.  Like you said, the Capital could be weakened, perhaps equivalent to a Level 2 Colony or even a Level 1 Colony, but that would be quite a hit for the Civ Capital.  In fact, it would completely erase everything that makes the Civ Capital special - no bonus MP,TP, Prestige, Morale, or Economics.  The Civ Capital would become just another colony.  I think I'm okay with the concept, but I'll need to dwell on it before rushing it out the door.

I mean, as long as we're talking about upgrading the Colony itself, why link it to farming and limit it to food?  There could be some Colony Progression techs or something that unlock the advanced colonies, which could provide all kinds of bonuses.  Something for another version, mod, or modder, though.  For v3.1 I'm thinking it's just the farm techs.

Reply #432 Top

I've run some test games with my weapon adjustments (beams: size-1; missiles: sizemod=1, cost +10%; guns: size +2 for Railgun I, Pulse Cannon I, etc; +1 for Railgun II-V, Pulse Cannon II-IV, etc. Cost decreased to 16 bc/damage initial, improving to ~9 bc /damage by the end of the tree).

Nothing seems to overtly unbalance the game, but I have not run in ideal conditions yet (all AIs same bonuses and tech trees). I suspect I will end up making changes to the defenses as well, namely decreasing the cost of higher level missile defense and increasing armor sizemods.

I've not been able to test very well because of the 'one weapon to rule them all' effect - often the one or two AIs who choose a non mainline weapon are not in the best position, and my subtle changes are irrelevant to their demise.

In my efforts to 'prime' AIs to use a specific weapons branch by giving them tech, I found that they only sometimes actually use it to make warships on their own. With cheats, I was able to jumpstart their ship design by taking control of them, designing a ship with the appropriate weapons, and rush building it. This prompts the AI to create designs using the tech they have, but it will not change their weapon preference. :( Even forcing them to research the type of weapons tech I wanted did not change their determination to go for their chosen armament. In one game, for example, the Altarians had gunboats (after I primed them - before that they were only making constructors), just finished researching Pulse Cannons (because I made them), and were at war with the Korath (not my fault :p), but still insisted on starting from missile weapon theory. As soon as they had stingers, they started making missile ships instead of the clearly superior gun designs they could be making with pulse cannons. The Arceans, Yor and Drath I was also enticing to choose something other than missiles actually built ships with the tech I gave them, but likewise started from missile weapon theory as soon as they could. They seemed to have better ship building skills though, as they did not switch to missile ships until they could make superior designs.

Like AgentPiltdown, I've thought about reducing weapon choice via removing one type of weapon from the tree entirely. I'm reluctant to do so not only because of potential AI failure but because I hate removing choices from the player as well.

Things I have learned:

Super dominator gets a LOT better when there are multiple minors around for thugging and declaring war on. In my latest test the Korath had upwards of 1800 warships after going to war with the entire galaxy except the Yor, at least half of which were super dominator corvettes. Their AI made me happy by sensibly rushing ultimate logistics and crushing all opposition (battleship? good for you - eat 100 heavy fighters).

AIP 8 waits a very long time to research planetary invasion - it appears to value map control over taking planets.

AIs do not use defenses to their full potential. Increasing the value of tier 1 defenses to 2 is huge, but the AI rarely researches defense at all, and never builds 1 attack 2 defense fighters when it does so early enough to matter.

Super Diplomat Korx works pretty well in the hands of the AI. They act as sort of a warship clearing house - buying from those who have lots and selling to those who have few. I've changed my mind on altering their ability to super manipulator - I think it's fine as is.

 

I'm thinking about renaming the Super Hive ability to Super Engineers or Super Builders and giving it to the Arceans while shifting Super Warrior to the Korath. In my tests, I've rarely seen their first strike happen, and when I do it's mostly against starbases which don't move. It just doesn't seem to synergize well with a race which has a speed penalty. I worry that giving the Arceans instant factories will crash the hell out of their economy, though. The Thalans don't start with a spammable factory, and have to wait to research theirs... Also, two evil super dominators seems excessive, and it would differentiate the Drengin and Korath further. On the other hand, if super dominator corvettes count as being built by the civ capital, I could rename the super dominator ability to super mobilizer and give the Arceans that. If they don't, then they'll be stuck at 1 parsec per week and be useless.

Anyways, that's what I'm thinking about doing with my Arceans, take from it what you will.

Reply #433 Top

Quoting Tolmekian, reply 431

Quoting MarvinKosh, reply 429I suppose the real question is, what does the AI do with its civ capital when it unlocks that tech?  If it doesn't auto-upgrade it chances are it won't spontaneously decide to upgrade it.

I think I was a bit unclear.  The AI auto-upgrades as appropriate, but then will be able to build another Initial Colony/Civ Capital, whichever one the planet doesn't already have.  So each planet could end up with both a colony and a capital.

End of Tolmekian's quote

I was thinking that it might be possible to fix by setting the tech requirement for Initial Colony and Civ Capital to ImpossibleTech, since they're never actually constructed normally, they're automatically added at the start of the game and when new planets are colonised.  Never mind, seems this is true anyway.

It'll probably end up with all planets starting without them, knowing my luck though.

Well, just tried it out.  Seems to work fine.  Of course the downside is that it'll be impossible to have more than one colony or capital upgrade per civ (not both) and the technologies will have to be no-steal no-trade, or the same problem could occur.  Haven't even considered what will happen with invasions.

Reply #434 Top

Thank you very much for this, this is compatible with the MarvinKosh's mod? or should I just put this one?

Reply #435 Top

Quoting pizzapicante27, reply 434
Thank you very much for this, this is compatible with the MarvinKosh's mod? or should I just put this one?
End of pizzapicante27's quote

It's impossible to run two mods at once. Which you use is up to you, though I think this (especially in its earlier versions) hews more closely to the stock game then MarvinKosh's does.

Reply #436 Top

Hi, I've been plating this great mod (MOO2 Smart Old Minors) for a while on GC2 Ultimate (Steam version) and found some things that look like bugs to me:

1. For some reason in ALL games ALL opponents (major and minor) ONLY research and use missile techs! They research all 3 kinds of defences though. Does not happen w/o the mod.

2. If you nave Neutrality Learning Centers AI will still auto-upgrade your planet's research facilities into Discovery Spheres, Planetary AI does not try to upgrade DS into NLC as well (thankfully, does not try to convert NLC into DS either). Looks like it just ignores them. This does not happen if you have mod disabled. I poked into the TechTree XML and PlanetaryImprovements XML and found the following:

 * The upgrade target for both NLC and DS is RecearchAcademy (as in original un-modded Twilight). Maybe, something else affects upgrade decisions? For some reason Discovery Sphere is listed as 'Medical' technology (probably does not affect anything, but strange anyway). I will try to set the Upgrade Target for NLC to DS and see what happens.

3. Looks like Spin Control Center boosts your perceved military skill for diplomacy evaluation even if you have no ships. I had 0 military ships and starbased, but once I build SCC - not a single race was willing to trade military tech to me ("my advisors tell me you are already too powerful" message). My miliraty graph was still at 0. Don't know if it's Mod-related or Twilight in general, only noticed it yesterday.

Will appreciate any feedback. Thanks for great work!

 

P.S. Also found some typos in the XML while trying to make Galactopedia visualize them (crashes :(, anyone knows how to do it?):

* Drath_TechTree: "weaopns"in Dark Energy Research

* PlanetaryImprovements "PretigeBonus" in Galaxy Resort

Reply #437 Top

Wow... Been awhile again. Sorry about that. I'm excited to try V3 but is it stable and balanced or is there more to do?

Reply #438 Top

The only issue I had was the AI sending fleets to theirs death trying to destroy very powerful starbases. And also the minors constructing many many influence starbases, that was while playing the version with smart minors.

Anyway, Tolmekian how's the next version coming mate? :)

PS: I think this is the best mod yet for GalCiv2 and I'm enjoying it a lot. But I actually play it with the default AI personalities, so as to preserve the behavior of the races like the devs intended. I hope this doesn't interfere with other modifications the mod makes, does it?

Reply #439 Top

the minors building influence bases can be used to your advantage, just buy ALL their influence points from them and you can swing votes in the UP your direction.

Reply #440 Top

Actually I noticed the minors build influence starbases in vanilla too, so it's not the mod's fault. But buying their influence points is a good idea actually.

 

I am currently playing a modified version of this mod, as I said, with default AI personalities, smart minors, and I also buffed the Arceans, the Drengin and the Korath, so they have a better chance of survival. The Arceans are still the underdog but at least they have better chances with an economy and an influence bonus.

Reply #441 Top

Quoting bbr91, reply 441
I am currently playing a modified version of this mod, as I said, with default AI personalities, smart minors, and I also buffed the Arceans, the Drengin and the Korath, so they have a better chance of survival. The Arceans are still the underdog but at least they have better chances with an economy and an influence bonus.
End of bbr91's quote

How does that work out for you? Do the races with the weaker/broken AIs (Drengin, Korath, Yor, Iconians & Torians) perform ok? I know Tolmekian was trying to accommodate personalities 7&8 if people wanted to use them but had encountered problems with their research, and I thought 10 was irredeemable due to the non-building of improvements on some planets (though the Torians could sometimes be powerful in spite of weak AI due to their strong super ability & early game manufacturing).

Just curious as AI7 never worked well for me even on the optimal settings, whereas on AI11 (and sometimes 8) these races could be quite formidable.

Reply #442 Top

They all perform fine, pretty much like with Tolmekian's mod. I didn't actually look at how they develop their planets or what they research, but they all seem to survive ok. I figured the way they survive in the long run is related to everything else.

The Torians end up very powerful most of the times, as do the Thalan. The Drengin, Korath and especially the Arceans are kind of weak. But despite what some people say, they all do colonize beyond their influence spheres. The Iconians are also quite powerfull. The Arceans are inherently weak, so the AI personality has nothing to do with their weakness, even with significant bonuses and canceling the speed penalty, they are still always the weakest civilization.

Now that you mention it, I didn't quite test AI personality 7 extensively, except for the Drengin. I will do some play tests using the CTRL+Z cheat and I'll let you guys know how it goes.

I did finish an actual game yesterday playing as Korath, and the Torians ended up as the most powerful civilization. I had to use my superior economy to spawn capital ships and quickly destroy their planets with spore ships, it was a fun game, especially since the Torians were an actual challenge.

 

EDIT: I did some 5-6 playthroughs and everything seems fine. The Korath use and send out their spore ships. The Yor became really powerful most of the times, they really do well for themselves. The Drengin almost always end up destroyed in a war by the most powerful civilizations. The Arceans, even with all the bonuses I have them, most of the times still end up as the one of the lesser civilizations. I nerfed the Torians', the Thalans' and the Terrans' influence a little, just to give the other races a chance. It was especially needed for the Torians, as they reproduce as rabbits and quickly became too powerful. I'm quite pleased with my results actually.

If anyone is interested, here's my RaceConfig.xml. Just replace the one from the mod with mine (after you make a backup) if you are curious to see the results. Besides all the modifications mentioned before, I also made the minors smart but they won't colonize, and I also modified some icons for them for diversity. I also use the HRG mod with Tolmekian's mod so you'll also see the modifications from that in there. For my hybrid mod I also replaced the icons and images of the two new buildings with ones from Dread Lords, unused ones I think, as the ones Tolmekian provided are quite poor.

EDIT2: It turns out my RaceConfig.xml was a bit unbalanced. I kept fine-tuning since then. If anyone is ever interested, PM me.

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Tolmekian, you also mention your mod includes a conversation fix by qrtxian but I couldn't find it. Or is it this one by TOV?

Reply #444 Top

I honestly don't remember ever actually uploading that anywhere, though I'd have to go back and check the thread.

Reply #445 Top

I don't know what to think. Which one is better? The one by TOV has twice as many lines in it, but it's arranged differently.

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TOV, if I remember rightly, actually added in lines to give all races a fair share of unique dialogue (it's weighted towards a few, largely those from the original GalCiv I). I just made sure all of the original dialogue can show up.

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Then it seems TOV's one sounds more exciting. Still, I appreciate your work, I've seen how huge the file is.

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Am I right to assume that this mod is kinda a must have in order to enjoy this game properly? Or has Stardoch fixed anything themselves for the Ultimate Edition?

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The unmodded game isn't unplayable, but it is unbalanced. There's a couple of mods out there that try and fix things up - this is probably the closest to one that fixes the game while still remaining as close to it as possible.

Reply #450 Top

While I am not 100% certain if it is caused by the mod but for some reason I am "Teamed" with the Drengings in the game I started after instelling the mod.

I myself playing Torian. If you can say for sure, it's not the mod, what other circumstances may have caused this?

Started a new game just to try and see: This time it's normal and they are neutral when I first meet them. Still very weird.