Human default colony ship design, some module sizes are wrong - Bug? How do I solve that?

Default designs have many "fake" modules added purely for symmetry or flavor. As far as the game is concerned, there are actually only one or none at all of those components (ex: colony ships only have one colony module, regardless how many colony module graphics are on the image).

As to the construction modules, a ship is only allowed one. Once you place a construction module on a ship it is removed from the 'available' list.

kryo...like the new avi...a tree on acid.

Oh gosh ... I really would have preferred WYSIWYG!

But there are still at least two real bugs.

If you remove a (fake) colony pot the size is credited to the hulls capacity, meaning after you did so you will have enough free capacity to for example fit another engine. This should not be possible because this engine is no fake one and by fitting it the sum of all installed functioning modules goes up to 77 and therefore exceeds the hull capacity of 60.

Beside that the size display of the by default mounted modules like the "Basic Support" is displayed incorrect until you tab out of the game and back in.

Anyways, thanks for the enlightenment.

Cheers

Xi

Hmmm, very intriguing. I've tried now multiple times to replicate that (having modules with a sum of 77 installed on a hull that only allows 60) but couldn't get this to work. In fact, I couldn't even find a single game-designed ship that has these phantom-parts on it. How will I be able to find one?

EDIt:

Okay, found one, not all races have these "additional" modules. But taking them away doesn't subtract any points at all, as well as these phantom parts don't give their ability to the ships. So it seems that there is no way to exeed the normal points a hull will offer the player. It's nothing but a display artifact.

   I thought it was a bird! but now that you say it yes.... well...  birds live in trees, isn't it? 

I can recreate that every time. Here is exactly what I do:

1. Startup Twilight (v2.03 / no Mods installed)

2. In the Options dialog I have unticked the following:

- Remove functional parts when upgrading a ship design

- Auto design ships for player

3. Start "New Game" with default settings and choose the Humans (spend ability points wherever you want)

4. Choose Drengin and Torian with Beginner difficulty and start the match.

5. Click on the Shipyard button

6. Choose Colony Ship and click on "Upgrade"

7. Remove one of the colonization modules. You will see that the cargo load bar on the top will drop down to 36!

Hm, all right, now that I looked a little closer at the resulting ship I realized that it has no more colonization capability even so it still has a colonization module equipped. Call it a bug or whatever but the fact that if you unequip one of the colonization modules and getting the hull capacity credited is very confusing for the player and lead at least to my confusion.

You also need to take into consideration your level of miniaturization. As you raise your miniaturization the size is going to change. I belive what your doing there is having no miniaturization skill and your messing around with default skins which were probably made with miniaturization inculded on it to give you a boost at the very start. This is also the reason why you cant really make anything better than the default stuff until you reasearch the miniaturization stuff.

Then you took off the real colony module and left the fake one on. Try taking the other one off and see what happens.

There isn't a 1:1 correspondence between the model and the actual components. They're both the same model and the game does not include any jewelry piece for colony models, so whichever one you remove first will count as the "real" one (I think our art guys just put them together with all parts unlocked then we took the shipcfg files and assigned them to the base ships).

If you're not playing metaverse games though there are mods that make fake parts readily available.

Since I was labeled a troll, thats my new name. The troll

Thanks for telling the game designers about the problem. I never play the Terrans, two things you could do. Either play$ the Terrans, play against them, or take them off. I would leave them on, as a more challenging opponent. This is still not enough to fight the Iconians, Torians, or the Thalans.

There's a number of other interesting features regarding some of the default ships (in DL and DA). For example, the hull of the medium "Battle Axe" ship is actually a small hull, no matter what race you play as. Also, on some of the ships that have "fake" weapons, the weapons actually 'fire' during combat, albeit solely as a visual effect (for instance, one ship that used only beam weapons had fake missiles fire during the combat viewer). Is this possible to replicate with your hull mod, Kryo? For instance, putting "fake" photon torpedoes on a Star Trek-esque ship could let it have both the torpedoes and phasors without actually having to have two weapons types. It always irritated me a little that my faux Enterprise had to use only one or the other.

Really? In my experience it seemed like the fake was removed first.

Is there any way to distinguish between these fake components and the real ones when upgrading a ship? I often upgrade off the core designs, which may be useless but look cool, but I often accidentially remove some of the fake components and can't replace them.

Sorry about that. I'm afraid I fell victim to stereotyping - you posted 5 or 6 responses in several different threads, wrote a great deal in caps lock, and made a number of rather insulting comments that didn't have much to do with the thread (like grousing at Stardock for nerfing the DA Korath in TOA) - and I just assumed you were a forum troll, who often do that sort of thing. Sorry.