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James Cameron's Avatar

James Cameron's Avatar

The movie, not the game.

The film opens in seven days (17th) here in Australia, and I just bought my ticket to the advance screening on the 16th. It's been a long time since I've been actually excited about seeing a film, and I honestly can't wait! Anyone else really looking forward to this movie? I know it's been the subject of a bit of discussion as some people don't see what all the fuss is about or think the promotional stuff looks dull.

Personally, I think the combination of bleeding edge technology and Cameron's skill as a film maker is going to result in one hell of a ride.

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actually was not paying attention in that scene (because I'm a little more.... prudish than the average 15-year-old), so I didn't notice the link taking place, and wondered about why they didn't do it.....
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i saw it in the IMAX in Sydney, so i got a pretty good look... i dont know how it aired in America but in Oz the link during the sex scene got a few decent seconds of footage

They might not even consider the humans to be alive.....
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i paraphrased the quote but everything you said is very possible... a very interesting idea... still... its surprising Aiwah has no self protection ability like an immune system... as far as we could see... something attacking you... even if you think said something is a lowly as a bacteria, still gets attacked by some sort of immune response... oh well... at the end of it all, its a movie and at some point you have to step back and say: well, maybe there isnt a smart or reasonable answer...

Reply #102 Top

I think of the loose ends as not so much having no reasonable answer as having a lot of equally reasonable answers with no real way of telling which is the "right" one...... hence the forum babble......

Reply #103 Top

yay, always loved forum battle...

oh, and insofar as a sequel... id really love one... but a sequel just to determine how that one human without an Avatar survives on the planet? seems like a really bad straight-to-dvd disney movie... and those are already pretty bad...

however, a sequel about something else that happens to mention how that human survives seems much more likely and enjoyable =D

Reply #104 Top

Yeah, I invisioned the avatar-less-techie as the protagonist, as opposed to the whole story..... there are more ships on the way, and if anyone's going to deal with them in heroic fasion, it would likely be him, seeing as the others would be far more likely to submerge their human past and forget about Armageddon Day.....

Reply #105 Top

oh... i dont know about that... i mean jake and the others left behind everything they knew... why would they just drop off the map? that sounds even more like a bad straight to dvd movie...

Reply #106 Top

Well, if there can be a Pocahontas 2, there can be an Avatar 2.

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After seeing how James Cameron's Terminator II continued Sarah Conner's story, or how Aliens continued Ripley's story, and how it took them in different places to what might have been expected, I think Avatar 2: Laughing to the Bank will probably follow the same trend by taking the story in a... unique direction. He doesn't need to focus so heavily on developing the new technology and can focus on making the characters and story shine.

Reply #108 Top

oh... i dont know about that... i mean jake and the others left behind everything they knew... why would they just drop off the map? that sounds even more like a bad straight to dvd movie...
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I don't know....... it all depends on the quality of the writing, regardless of the exact manner the sequel takes...... I really have no experiance or skill in that area, so I guess I'll just hope they put somebody like Blomkamp or Lucas (not those people, specifically, but similarly inventive ones) on it. If they can make something new and innovative story-wise, and back it up using the Avatar franchise, well... that would be impressive.....

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Quoting Scoutdog, reply 108

oh... i dont know about that... i mean jake and the others left behind everything they knew... why would they just drop off the map? that sounds even more like a bad straight to dvd movie...I don't know....... it all depends on the quality of the writing, regardless of the exact manner the sequel takes...... I really have no experiance or skill in that area, so I guess I'll just hope they put somebody like Blomkamp or Lucas (not those people, specifically, but similarly inventive ones) on it. If they can make something new and innovative story-wise, and back it up using the Avatar franchise, well... that would be impressive.....

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i suppose we can just cross our fingers and think happy thoughts =)

Reply #110 Top

My sequel wish list:

  • Jake has got to be de-good-guy'd. Then preferably humiliated, discredited, and rendered irrelevant. I just really hate cardboard heroes. Maybe that's why I'm so fond of the idea of him "going native" and forgetting about the rest of the ships until it's too late.
  • I would like to see a little of Earth as well. Pandora's all well and good, but I'm beginning to wonder just what thungs are like dirtside.
  • The Doc has to come back in some way, shape, or form. She's just such an awesome character.
Reply #111 Top

eww, sigourney weaver? really? i suppose theres no accounting for taste...

Reply #112 Top

It just scored the Best Picture Golden Globe. The Oscars should be very interesting this time around.

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eww, sigourney weaver? really? i suppose theres no accounting for taste...
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Not that way, certainly!!!!!!!! She reminds me of myself, that's why I like her!

Best director, too. I feel a little sorry for Neil Blomkamp: if Avatar came along D9 could very well have been up there instead.... he just had the bad luck to be right next to some super-epic-SFX slightly-dumbed-down version of the same ideas.

Reply #114 Top

no, im glad Blokamp didnt get anything

i feel cheated by the movie, i was expecting an action movie, and yet i get assailed by how massive arseholes humans can be, and spend a few hours listening to a dumb prick of a main character, with maybe 15 minutes in 3 hours of movie worth of action sequences...

i have no problem with the story he was trying to tell, i feel cheated that he sold it as an action movie etc just so he could spread his own opinion and sneak in a few million more viewers...

Reply #115 Top

I for one don't think they really billed it as an action movie... some people said it was, but they weren't really tied to the film.... but yes, it definately wasn't a movie that everyone would like.....I for one am a fan and am rooting for it, but not in a proslytizing way.

Reply #116 Top

well, they advertised it as such in Australia... they still do on Foxtel...

Reply #117 Top

Just Seeing this thread now, and reading all 5 pages of Technical (lol, it was funny when you mentioned how everyone was turned off by that:D ) I have to say, before all else, that I love the movie, definitely in the top 3 movies for me, Next to jurassic park and Star Wars ep 4.

What you guys have said about the characters being relative stereotypes is true, well, less true than other films (*cough* Batman *cough* ) as I genuinely cared about the characters and though the plot was good, if not done before. But on that note, if someone were to make Star Wars over again, but use different characters, events, planets and sprinkle some originality into the mix, it would still be considered a classic, and praised for it's improvement (minus the Han Solo) over the original. So 'I do not think that the plot was as cut-and-dried as some have made it out to be.

Also, unless you're a lunatic religious fundamentalest, a redneck, Oil magnate or corporate boss listen to the picture's ethical message: Is it right to exploit others and the environment for your own Benefit? While not preachy, the film clearly told a message about our environmentally destructive ways like the pixar film WALL-E told us to take care of what is ours. So, no complaints there.

CGI wise, the characters were slightly too smooth to be natural, but still believable if you don't actively look for such things, while the forest, unlike some have mentioned, is totally alien. Where can you find a forest like that here? actually tell me, 'cause if there is a place like that I'm making that my next stop. It's better than the original Star Trek's upsidedown plants and fake trees, better than desert, and beter than the planet-spanning Ecumopolis like Coruscant or the Citadel in Mass Effect. Again, no complaint.

For technicality (to stay in the spirit of the conversation)

1. The diverse life on Pandora probably produces air born toxin (toxin to us) that poisons organisms that breathe it in, so higher altitudes may be breatheable to Terran life like Humans. In a link on Wikipedia (not the most reliable but reliable enough), there is a page for planet/moon Pandora (this has been deleted for whatever reason) that states that a  portion of the air (1-3%) is Methane, which is unpleasant and toxic to us (in quantities like that in a 1.2 thickness atmosphere that would incapacitate us and kill us in about the time stated in the movie).

2.Pandora was likely formed Farther out beyond the snow line of Alpha Centauri System (the yellow star in the binary pair, not the Farther k type orage star) and was simply caught when forming or formed by the gas giant, which was migrating inward to the 1.1 AU area (the middle Habitable zone for A Centauri). There, the planet's glaciers would melt, and the planet would Evolve life in about 100 million years, followed by the Na,vi 6 billion years later (the Centauri triple stars are older than the sun.)

3. Pandora may have a weak magnetic field by itself, but it's close orbiting Gas giant would probably have an even more powerful magnetic field than Jupiter (who's field goes halfway to Saturn and to the asteroid belt) simply because it would be easier for a larger mass Gas giant to hold onto an Earth-sized planet, which would entail a stronger field.

4. There may be more than one Habitable world in the centauri system (in real life and the fiction universe) due to the presence of two ideal life bearing stars, a class G2V (a clone of the sun) and a K1V, yellowish stars ideal for life. If we take our own solar system for example, We have 8/9 planets orbiting one star. out of those, 3 had oceans of water and one retains it (Venus was tropical but likeley lifless, Mars was cool and was likely life bearing, and Earth was-and is- a more moderate world that maintains it's oceans to the present day. 1-in-3 odds of habitability at some point. Of those three, possibly all developed life on a prmitive scale. a 1 for 1 deal. Of those, 1 certainly has abundant, multi-cellular life covering it's surface, 1 is likeley to have some sort of extremeophile bacteria, and the other is likely dead/dying (there may be aerostat bacteria that consume acid in the upper, Earth-like atmosphere of Venus) Even then, we have Titan, Enceladus, Europa, Triton, and other moons which may have liquid oceans not neccesariliy made of water, and stable comets with plentiful volatiles and reactants.

So it would seem to me likely that in a system with two spaced out stars (the two main stars arn't close together on the scale of AU's, but rather are as far away as pluto-at 5.3 billion Km and vary to about Saturn's orbit) that have relatively ideal characteristics for Earth life would have between themselves atleast 1 Earth-like planet, or Pandora-like in the film, if not 2 or 3. Always be optimistic until proven wrong guys, always O:)  .

So, I'm done my rant, good night. |-)    

Reply #118 Top

Fascinating stuff. Welcome to our little commentariat.

Wonder if anybody's thought to point one of those big planetfinder telescopes at Alpha Centauri.... at that range, it should be pretty easy to spot stuff....

well, they advertised it as such in Australia... they still do on Foxtel...
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If your Foxtel is anything like our Fox, they'll advertise anything as anything if they think it'll get them higher ratings..... but all the ads I saw in the States were fairly sedate on the action side of things. Like I said, it's not a movie everybody will like. Better that way, I think: if you try to make watered-down/mashed-up movies that please everybody, they wind up being truly distinctly enjoyable for nobody.

Reply #119 Top

Quoting FallenDevil, reply 117

What you guys have said about the characters being relative stereotypes is true, well, less true than other films (*cough* Batman *cough* ) as I genuinely cared about the characters and though the plot was good, if not done before.

But on that note, if someone were to make Star Wars over again, but use different characters, events, planets and sprinkle some originality into the mix, it would still be considered a classic, and praised for it's improvement (minus the Han Solo) over the original.

So 'I do not think that the plot was as cut-and-dried as some have made it out to be.

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Star Wars and its "monomyth" brethren (The Matrix, The Lion King) are the exceptions, not the rule.

 

Frankly, all that I have seen out of Hollywood in recent years are [pitiable] attempts to recreate movies or their plotlines, pro-environmental/anti-human-stereotype semi-lectures, and current event exploitation (2012, day after tomorrow, etc.). The film industry's creativity is drying up, and I fear that Avatar will be the best they have to offer for too long.

Reply #120 Top

Frankly, all that I have seen out of Hollywood in recent years are [pitiable] attempts to recreate movies or their plotlines, pro-environmental/anti-human-stereotype semi-lectures, and current event exploitation (2012, day after tomorrow, etc.). The film industry's creativity is drying up, and I fear that Avatar will be the best they have to offer for too long.
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Reply #122 Top

I wonder... how long do you all think Na'avi usually live? They don't appear to age in any way humans can see (lucky Jake... he doesn't have to watch his little girlfriend shrivel up.........)

Reply #123 Top

I think there was a clear difference between the younger Na'vi, such as Neytiri, and the older leaders - whos name I won't attempt to spell. There was also the scene with the dead older Na'vi who was clearly wrinkled.

Reply #124 Top

The only difference I could detect was that their skin looked considerably lighter.... and I just chalked that up to variance from individual to individual...... but there definately seems to be a clear age connection now that you mention it.

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yeah... i saw them a fair bit more wrinkled and... idn... grisled? like cooked chicken thats been left in the fridge too long...

no comments on the vid i posted? i thought it was rather outrageous =P