Sorry, thought I was done with this thread.
I would like to clarify something in regards to the flat earth and heliocentric comments.
I do agree that for most scientists and philosophers the shape of the earth was considered spherical. This dates back to the time of Greek philosophers (4th century BC) even though the flat earth concept was generally accepted in some cultures through the 17th century.
Obviously these concepts were not accepted by all however where the arguments in favor of a flat earth and the earth being the center of the universe were made, they were generally made by men of religion and used the scriptures to make their case.
Saint Augustine, Diodorus of Tarsus, Photius Severian (Bishop of Gabala), Cosmas Indicopleustes and others claimed the earth was flat. It was not a generally accepted notion that the earth was flat even by most theologians. My original point was that the argument in favor of a flat earth was those provided mostly by religious figures.
The heliocentric argument, to me, is a no brainer. Galileo was brought before the inquisition (Catholic Church) and charged with heresy for stating that the earth revolved around the sun and not the sun around the earth. He was forced to recant and was placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life. The inquisition was also responsible for millions, mostly women, being hung or burned at the stake.
I believe that there are sufficient counter points to these examples throughout history and should not be considered as the beliefs of those educated in science, philosophy or even theology. I should have prepared and explained my examples more thoroughly and to the points I was attempting to make, not figuring that they would be attacked with such zealously. (go figure)
A response regarding the difference between a woman's "moral" or "legal" right to an abortion. Regardless of the tag one wish's to attach, a woman has the "right" to make that decision, you do not get to make that decision, nor do I.
My wife was in her 40's when our son was born. We discussed the "what if" possibilities necessitating an abortion. Her well being was an obvious reason to consider an abortion as was any condition where the quality of life would be severely impaired for the child.