Genocide guys.

Typical, "it's what Israel is doing" but not what Hamas is doing right?

So throwing random missiles into Israel is not the same thing? I just don't get it. I just don't. These people want nothing less than the complete anihilation of the Jewish population yet Israel is the evil one.

I have lost all hope for mankind, for it will take nothing less than the elimination of more than 50 % of the popualtion of this planet to probably knock some sense into people and realize that we are all humans, we all bleed red blood, we all eat, sleep, breath and shit the same. If people are too blinded by their ignorance, selfishness and stupidity to see the world for what it really is, then we all deserve to go to hell. I hope a meteor the size of Mars is heading our way soon, may be the only way for there to be peace of this God forsaken planet.

I wonder if people who bring up genocide actually know the definition of it, because Israel is doing no such thing. 

So it would be ok if I launched a rocket at your home every so often just for the hell of it right? for no other reason than I don't like your name.

So would it be O.K. if I destroyed your hometown and attacked your family just for no other reason there is a doubt that your neighbors they don't like are hiding near you? 

It was OK when the Americans did it to my father's home in Germany.

And, incidentally, I agree with that view.

Everything else prolongs the war and costs too many lives.

You will find lots of people who will agree with that.

But killing human shields is not a war crime and killing a few hundred people during a war is not genocide.

Redefining the meaning of those crimes just because one wants to accuse Israel is a common strategy. But it won't end the war.

USING human shields, on the other hand, IS a war crime.

And firing rockets into cities devoid of any military target is an attempted genocide.

Why are you accusing Israel of crimes committed not by Israel but by Hamas? I don't get it.

About the word "genocide" as used by some:

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/97234

So you think that accusing Israel of "genocide" is "criticism" of Israel?

Over the last few years a _real_ genocide happened in Sudan, but few people care. (I myself don't care much; merely give 50 dollars a month to a Darfurian charity.)

And suddenly, when Israel kills a few hundred Arabs (which is something Hamas were also doing on a regular basis), we have a _genocide_?

That's what a genocide is?

That's the problem with this world? Arabs die when Jews shoot back at them?

I want to live on that planet!

So which criticism were you referring to?

The author accuses Israel of genocide and war crimes (and he is lying), and you bring up the subject of "criticism" of Israel.

How does it fit together?

Little whip: "........any criticism of Israel is gonna get you shot down......"

Thanks Whip-----I enjoyed your sarcastic comments.

Leauki: " The author .............is lying"

Do you mean lying as in: I'm making it up, or lying as in:There are WMD's in Iraq.Here are some facts for you and other Joeusers:

1. I support Israel and am bitterly disappointed in them. The Oxford dictionary defines Genocide as:" The deliberate killing of a very large number (1000 and counting not enough for you?),from a particular ethnic group or NATION." I believe Israel is guilty of this.

2.There were no Hamas in the UNWRA compound when 40 women and children were killed.This has been verified.

3. Israel has blocked vital aid to people who need food, medicines, fuel etc. (One example: An Iranian vessel carrying 1000 tons of medical supplies and food was turned away from the Gaza coast by the Israelis. It has been verified that there were no arms on the vessel.

4. Here's an example of blatant lying: " Israel says it is not targeting Gaza civilians." How do you fire a shell from a huge gun and pinpoint Hamas warriors only. That's like saying only selected areas of Hiroshima were targetted in 1945.

5.This war has been planned so badly to teach Hamas a lesson and stop their rocket launches. At what price? Like the Lebanon war two years ago, the Israelis have no idea how to tackle a terrorist organisation without killing innocent civilians.

6. 300 children have died, many with bullet wounds ---don't the Israelis learn how to aim straight?

I've said my piece and I have only two questions: Bush professes to be a Christian---By what standards?

I know many of you don't agree with my views but the millions marching in London, Indonesia, Australia etc--and even Washington, seem to agree with me!

I really don't care if you support Israel. I have met many supporters of Israel I wouldn't want to associate with.

No, 1000 is not a "very large number" and the killing (of the civilians) were not deliberate either.

Did you refer to Hamas killing hundreds of people in Gaza as a genocide, too?

The IDF say there were. Hamas say there weren't. Who verified this? Apart from Hamas-approved journalists, Hamas-sympathisers among the UN staff (everyone else fled when Hamas took over), and the IDF nobody was there.

Even some of the teachers, paid by the UN, were Hamas militants.

Again, verified by whom?

Anyway, if aid was so important, we should ask Hamas to stop firing and let some aid in. It's not up to the Israelis.

Israel is not using "huge guns".

In fact Israel has specific weapons designed not to kill. (I believe the example of a rocket that doesn't explode and is targeted at an empty point on a roof to scare away civilians on the roof was given earlier.)

Yet Hizbullah stopped firing at Israel and even now believe that the propaganda value of claiming resposibility doesn't outway the disadvantage of being blamed for attacks by Israel.

The Lebanese police even took action against terrorists shooting rockets from Lebanon this week.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to tackle a terrorist organisation without killing innocent civilians. Terrorists target civilians and use them as human shields. Both are war crimes. The reason they are war crimes is because the result is dead civilians.

The Israelis aim straight. But Hamas terrorists are using children as human shields. The IDF have videos that show this. Hamas has also boobytrapped schools and is blowing them up. How the heck do you even know which child was killed by the IDF and which was killed by Hamas?

Yes, I'm afraid they do.

And they are prolonging a war that should have ended decades ago, that should have never started.

And, ironically, they refer to themselves as "anti-war"protesters.

You are an Anti-semitic weasel, I did not ask this question of you and would not expect an answer, of course you DID NOT ANSWER you just asked another question.

My question was for the author of this article not you, I already know where your stance is, mutt!

Leauki, you are fight a pointless battle but sometimes these pointless battles need to be fought. More often then not people (like adnau) will take American Media and say they are lying and Americans are dumb enough to believe it but when the news comes form the same people who are the terrorist, they swallow the story hook, line and sinker.

This is why this world will never be a better place to live. These kinds of situations will happen for all eternity and all we can do is live with it. So long as there are people willing to look the other way, willing to point fingers at one side while dismissing the other for the same actions or worse, while some chose to be blind simply out of hatred for the other side, innocent people will die, Gov't will be corrupt and ignorance will be the universal language of this planet.

You need to keep up with what's happening in the news here Charles. Leauki, your battle is not pointless --it is just uninformed.

However, Charles, your second paragraph is wise and a good summation of what's happening in the World today.

Are you going to answer my question? or is this duck time? Would it be ok for me to launch missles at your home every so often just because I don't like your name? It's a simple question.

I am afraid in this case, you are very wrong. YOu may not agree with Leauki, but you will be hard pressed to find anyone more informed on these issues than him.

And I agree with him.  Blaming the victim for the criminal's behavior is no way to have the criminal stop his crimes.  The people do have a choice, stop shelling Israel.  ANd if it is the "innocents" that are getting killed, they have 2 choices as well.  They can get rid of the criminals or move.

You dont blame the police for crime in your neighborhood.  They are not doing it, they may not be preventing it, but then neither are you.  In this case they are trying to stop it.

the only reason that this conflict is never ending, is because israel is too moral to commit the collatoral damage needed to end this conflict. The united states has done so multiple times, such as in WW2 against japan and germany, and also against the native americans. The russians have done it countless times, the chinese, every european country has done it... Israel is unique in its AVOIDANCE of civilian casualties, to the point that they are incapable of winning. And they are demonized for it.

War crime - training child soldiers

Not a war crime - shooting back at child soldiers

War crime - using civilians as human shields

Not a war crime - killing civilians used as human shields to get at the person who is hiding behind them and shooting at you

Also not a war crime - killing civilians by accident even if they are not anywhere near any combatants due to a mistaken identification.

Of course, those are what the countries of the world hold THEMSELVES to, not what they hold israel to, if israel calls off most attacks on military targets due to proximity to civilians, and occasionally hits a civilian, well, that is a war crime, because there are special definitions for israel.

PS. The us nuked japan. And in vietnam 20 million vietnamese civilians died, which was 10% of tht total population of 200 million, and also was orders of magnitude more than the amount of combatants killed (on both sides, american casualties numbered in the 50 thousand).

If you think those things above that are not warcrimes should be considered warcrimes, than israel is the LAST in the list of countries to be tried... Where there are murderers and rapists (other countries, if you change the definition of warcrimes) about you don't put a pickpocket (israel, if you changed the defintions of warcrimes) on a public sham trial... well YOU DO because the people conducting the trial are the murderers and rapists... but its not just.

Ok.

I have actually been in one of these wars. I was one of the people shot at. If I were an Arab, you would cry for me. As it is, you never even cared enough to ask whether I have lost friends or family in the last eight years of shelling.

I have no problem with you crying over Arab deaths and ignoring Jewish victims.

But to call me "uninformed" seems a bit outlandish.

Have you ever even been in Israel, given that you feel so competent about making lots of statements about Israel's motives?

I think you have hit the nail on the head.  Today's society (for the first world - the third world still has to work 7x24 to eke out an existance) is said to be very lazy.  And have too much idle time on its hands.  That is neither good nor bad, just a reality.  But that idle time has allowed them to become more informed (at least superficially) and to "care" about others outside of their responsibilities more.  And in that, they seem to think that there is a way to wage a humane war. And that everyone "could just get along if we had a daily hug".  The danger here is demonstrated both in the US, Europe and Israel, that when a war is needed, they no longer understand the basic concept of it.  To eliminate the enemy's capacity to wage war against you - so they "feeL" the war should be sprinkling daisies over houses to force the others to see the error of their ways.

Israel, being caught in teh first World, is suspectible to this thinking and pressure.  And that is why they have not done what every nation did before the advent of mass hysteria and delusion.  They are trying to wage a "humane" war.  Basically a losing proposition.

What everyone else fails to grasp is that there is a very simple solution to all of this!  Have the warring ARabs stop attacking Israel!  War over and all can go home!  The solution is simplicity itself, but do you see any of these Israel bashers ever even attempting to broach that solution?  Not even Obama has stated that.  And in 5 days he will be the leader of the largest economy in the first world.

I find it humane to have lots of bunkers and allow people to use them.

And I still don't trust Hamas' numbers. Plus I am unwilling to blame Israel for all the deaths, given that I have seen videos of Hamas preparing a school with explosives.

LW, how do you know that the majority of children were not killed DIRECTLY by Hamas in one of the schools they blew up?

I wonder how the fools that yell "InHumane" can doubt that if they wanted to, the Israelis could cleanse the Gaza completely.  Instead of counting a thousand the total would be millions.  And all the Hamas would be among them.  yet they restrain.  Why?  They are "trying" to wage a "humane" war.  Which has 2 problems.  One is that war is not humane and cannot be (Ever see Star Trrek - A Taste of Armegeddon?  even that was not humane even though it was clean!).  The second is that those they are trying to appease will not be appeased with any thing less their their erradication - in other words they are playing to the wrong audience.

Reply: Moderateman: If you shot at my house I'd drop a bomb on yours---it's called overkill and the Israelis are masters of overkill.

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