hey, boss... i couldn't help notice your Custom race "medal" Logo -- does that mean someone can log onto the MV using their favorite race parameters without flagging a cheat warning rejection if some values aren't defaults?

fair enough; i think it's hard, though, because some of us have been pining for these fixes for months or longer: we finally got a bit of attention in a forum and were asked specifically to list MV problems, and then we got a single person posting requests for changes and expansions to the system. but you're indeed right that there would have been better ways to respond, and our tone probably only hurt out chances of being heard at all.

the difference is that this thread is specifically for aspects of the forum medals/MV that currently don't seem to work as intended, whereas your posts seem to be about changing the way they're intended to work and/or adding new features and fuctions to the MV system.

i think i can capture the perspective of those of us who over-reacted to your input. StarDock has given less and less attention to GC2, and even less to the GC2 forums and MV, over the past months. that's not to say it's been nil, but it certainly isn't what it was 3 years ago. we believe that we're coming up to a point when there will be little or no attention paid to the game, its forums and the MV, so we're hoping to get the last few bugs and broken features of the MV/forums fixed before StarDock moves on.

your requests and suggestions are more than simple fixes. i'm far less experienced with coding in any context than you or the people who work at StarDock, but i nonetheless feel that the suggestions you've made would represent a far more significant inventment in work on the part of StarDock than the requests others have made in here. as stated in the OP and subsequent posts from Kryo, this is about a modest, consice list of fixes, not a wish list for changes. if you'd like to campaign for such changes, i certainly wouldn't want to discourage you, but i do nonetheless feel it would be better carried out in another thread.

i hope that was diplomatic enough not to offend.

Aww Geez

I'm dissapointed that this thread has gotten off topic and as such i fear that we will never see the tweaks that we were asked to tell SD about.

This thread is not about what more can be done to the MV to make it better. It is about tweaking/fixing broken features that SD has already implemented into the MV that for whatever reason are just not wroking right.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I want this thread to remain on those topics, not any other requests or faults. I don't think that it is too much to ask that that be the case. So when someone goes off on what is unrelated topics as it pertains specifically to this thread i will, for the second time, resereve the right to get somewhat peeved at said person. Especially when said person is basically calling me a cheater. No matter what style of play i may employ. (refrains from going any further on topic)

Zyx, i pointed out to at the start of this topic what my questions/concerns are and that is what this topic is about. You have every right to request what you want of SD, all i ask is that you do so in the appropriate place.

This is not it.

My fear is, if i were a dev/mod and i was reading this thread, i would see that the community could not even agree on a few little fixes of already inplace features and want to just suggest not supported and far off fanciful idea's.

I would then give up on the thread.

I want this to remain on topic, it is the only way these fixes will gain any attention.

Keep on topic about tweaks to already implemented MV features as already listed. Want to suggest something else, by all means, go to forums, click Metaverse and click New Post.

I will update OP with agreed upon list.

I only mention this because there may be folks that don't realize that this functionality exists and hopefully this is just a polite way of mentioning it. I'm sure no one really wants to force such heavy handed action.

Don't worry... we're all a big bunch of a community which doesn't concern themselves with the "tone" or inconsequential multi-threading (trolling, anyone?).

What matters is that Neilo gets his cake and eats it for good until his stomach implodes from realizing "some major" tweaks might have been a good idea before delving into simple fixes. But, who am i to decide what SD should do.

One's wishes might be another's futility like all things in life.

Back to topic, AFAIC.

Medals or not, scoring is still a means to tone down a Win or evaluate the gameplay circumstances. While i think, perfection doesn't really exist on Earth... many annoying discrepencies are still creeping into this game even after two full years (even if was indeed late into the machine, still TA certainly is a quite fresh expansion) of heavy support on my part.

MV is a secondary situation - to me.
Modding being first. And for this, i must play in a variety of complex test games to realize what *can* be done.

Kzinti, thanks for the explanation on the Custom stuff... i figured that i could be somethin' around these settings.

That's not what I read....I thought it was the word "count".  I skimmed it pretty fast so I could have misread.  In any case, I'm done with this thread as it is now "moderated".  Perhaps the discussion will continue elsewhere.

Sentient species taste better...

Guys, I don't know how this got so far blown out of proportion, but it needs to stop.

Like I said initially, I'm looking for anything not working as intended at the moment, to pass on to Bara to fix. Changes to/additional functionality is beyond the scope of this (that sort of thing would need to go past Brad), but going off topic isn't going to kill the thread.

In the future, please leave the self-moderation to the blogs, and the forum moderation to us. Squelching other users is okay for the blog sites where anything goes, but we don't need the division that sort of thing can cause here.

Attention to Forum Medals that are not working. (Purple Heart, Achievements 6-9, Fleet Admiral, Author & Commenter)

Empire Senator functions.

Forum Stats.

All of which are things that used to work except in the case of Achievement Medals 6-9 which never worked but appear to be in the sequence of 250 game winner, 500 game winner, ...

Other things were indeed discussed as well as having a monkey wrench thrown in from left field as to why the MV should get attention instead of some other random collection of desired game changes (which is what caused the grief in the thread to begin with) but I think we have pretty consistent agreement on what is stated in the OP at this time.

I passed the list on some time ago. Currently the CVP/Pantheon stuff for Demigod is taking priority for the web guys though.