Certainly you shouldn't hesitate to make suggestions or voice concerns about anything you don't agree with. How old your hands are have no bearing on the value of your opinion. No MVL members opinion is any more valid or valuable than any other MVL member.

But basically this point was the subject of a league wide vote in which the suggestion you're making was one of the listed options (specifically #3). See the MVL Tiebreak Criteria Vote thread at the Core.

I do probably need to point out that the choice that was selected by the vote (#4) doesn't explictily mention the case of what is done if both speed and score were tied but suffice to say there was significant discussion about this very issue and it was explictly stated elsewhere that this option would leave items tied by both speed and score with each receiving the full value of the bonus. It could be stated that no one honestly believed that such an occurance would ever happen but it was discussed and this is how the rule is written up in the rules thread.

Clearly we can revisit this if necessary, though probably the rules thread is the better place to do it if you still feel strongly about it. Certainly anyone is free to suggest anything they want but per our newly ratified voting rules someone would need to propose an alternative to the current rule and make a motion that would need to be seconded by two other MVL members before it could be brought to a vote.

I'm sure if there are others that agree with you then they will mention their support, but I prefer the idea that everyone that deserves a bonus gets the same bonus.

Your proposal is similar to the more standard policy of awarding 3, 2 and 1 points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. We initially had such a scheme but felt that was too much emphasis on individuals as opposed to teams.

I would tend to hope that you don't jump off a pier because of this except that it might actually be fun. But what exactly is a "pleasure" pier, I'm curious?

I'm terrible sorry everyone, but I mis-read the initial post, thought the number of players was up to each player and played the game I submitted with one player rather than 4, so that is not a qualifying game. Again, I apologize to everyone, and please dis-regard that game.

Certainly I see no issue with this ruling.

However I'm not sure that if this happened to a player that didn't happen to be new that we should count the game as invalid. If I recall correctly there have been a few cases where some minor error in the correct settings have been made as an honest mistake and we've simply ignored the discrepancy.

We should probably have a rule in this regard, but personally I think that it would be rather harsh to say that someone's game is invalid simply because they made an honest mistake and then not allow them to submit a replacement.

Again just my personal opinion, but I would be fine with either the submission being final and the game being valid or the game being invalid but they can submit another in it's place. I don't think penalizing someone for an honest mistake by invalidating their game *and* not allowing them to make another submission in it's place really encourages people to abide by the honor system.

Agreed.

As far as the obvious abuse, that's a bridge that I'm sure we all hope to never cross.

since Justin is on my team, I'm gonna have to leave this one for others to decide.

Um...I'm wondering if there is ...um...a typo here, in that a time stamp of 2/19 is about ten days before the specs for Round 7 were posted on...um... 2/29.

I agree with Neilo, an invalid game is the same as no submission at all. Justinsane's valid game is all that counts.

For M: There are pleasure piers set up for restaurants and retail fish markets, souvenir shops, kids, fishing off the pier, tourists etc. with parking and safety rails. There are commercial piers set up for unloading fish, loading ice and bait and nets, truck traffic and fish processing sheds...not the best place for Aunt Verna and her two kids from Dubuque.

Opps. Answered my own question.

If you search in the metaverse under forum stats you search by user name but when you click on it you get their metaverse character page. Of course you still need to figure out which of his three characters he posted the game under but that pretty much gets you there.

However still please include your MV character name when making a submission.

Agreed. Just count the one that conforms to the settings. The Crusaders are not afraid of a bigger challenge.

Thank you very much everyone! I really appreciate how sporting you've all been on this mess I made. I'd have joined a while ago if I knew how great this league was. Better late than never I suppose.

My submission for Team C.

Char: 4 20
Years: 2
Race: Altarian
Type: Beyond Mortality
Points: 14210
Difficulty: Suicidal
Submission Date: 3/2/2008 8:20:57 PM

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4 20

I'm glad I'm not the only one, I've tried three times so far. It's a toughie .

HaHa I too am having a hard time, my fourth try.