I hate the Arceans

I vote them the trash civilization of the galaxy.Wont go into Alliances unless you give your empire away.And will attack you quite often.At least with the Yor and the Drengin you kno where you stand.
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Yup...the "neutral" alignment is a ruse...those bastards are expansionistic opportunistic vultures who love to kick you when you're down.
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they've have never done that to me but i usualy never meet them early in game and by the time i do i'm stronger then them so i guess that could have to do with it.
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the Altarians are the ones that i always have problems with...even when i am "good"

I have been on a Anti-Altarians crusade for my last 3 games
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@cpbeller: Bump! I hate those bastards!!! I even started my last game as "Anti-Altarian Coalition"... Well, I beat the hell out of them! LOL

~SDC~
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@Vridian: Strange thing is...they are so "Good", i get jumped by them much more than even the Drengins...
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The Altarians are total prudes! During my last game they were pouting through most of it because my alignment was below 50 (still neutral, mind you). But I agree with the original poster, I don't trust those sneaky Arceans. :)

~SDC~
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To early to be conclusive, but here is my view of the AI personalities.

The Drengin are bullies. If they are stronger than you they will pound you. If you are stronger than them, they will respect you and leave you alone (to go pound someone else...like every minor race within spitting distance). They are IMO the easiest AI to get along with

The Yor have been for me fairly passive. This is inconclusive because in all three of my "real" games they've had poor starting positions. But so far, they have not gone out of their way to expand past their initial area of land claim. I can't remember them starting a war with anyone, and they are always the race that I achieve Warm relations with the easiest.

The Torians are cowards. I've never seen them stand up to anyone and the espionage reports I get indicate they regularly pay tribute to anyone who sneezes at them. Often they wind up buddying up with the Altarians (except see below)but seem to be little more than the Altarian's side kick.

The Arceans are aggressively expansionistic. They go after everything they can get their hands on and in every circumstance where they wind up adjacent to me I've had to resort to military action to back them down. They are the only race I've experienced who've declared war on me while they had supposedly "Warm" relations. They also seem willing to go to war regardless of Trade. They willingly gave up 30+% of their income (trade with me) to declare war on me over a minor planet in a sector they apparently wanted. They are a pain in the ass if you run into them early. However, they are also very manipulatable and easy to improve relations with after a conflict. Once after smacking them around, they went directly back to neutral (rather than wary or cool) after peace, and I was able to bribe them to go attack someone else far more easily than any other race save the Drengin.

Altarians, the other hyper expansionistic bastards in the galaxy. They have all the worst flaws of fanatical crusaders and are just all around dicks. They will happily crush the Torians (good vs good...how good is that) if they are in their expansionist way. They also seem to prioritize tech more than the other races (in line I guess with their background fluff), which means (like the Psilons in Moo2) are more difficult to defeat. So far, the one flaw of theirs I've consistantly exploited is that they are overly aggressive in their expansion and spread themselves too thin. Much more than the other races they seem to underdefend their key worlds and send everything to the front. If you get them involved in a war against someone else...they're back door is usually left wide open...which is how I turned the corner in my latest game where they were poised to issue me a serious ass whooping.

Like I said, not enough games to be truly conclusive, and I have no idea if the above accurately reflects their coding, but that's the sense I've gotten from them thus far.
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Valamir, good discription but i might add that if the Yor get a good starting position they will pound eveyone near them until the I-Leage (in every one of my games so far) come up and kills them.
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I disagree about the Altarians, in the games I have played they have always been my strongest ally. Achieved an alliance with them every game, lots of trade, they continually visit me to give me gifts (even if crappy, its the thought that counts)... I constantly funnel my military hardware to them to keep their wars chugging along (until we ally, then I join in on the fun)They never backstab me and are always loyal to the end... Of course my alignment is almost always good also, so that probably has alot to do with it. The Drengin seem to be neutral to me once I start pumping out them military. The yor have never really been a factor. The arceans are the ones that give me the most trouble but eventually warm up when I start giving them crap. The torians are my other faithful ally (usually wait until after they get in with the Altarians), then ya have a nice 3 way alliance. It pays to be good. :)
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Heh, I totally disagree on alot of these opinions, but that's because I always set "alignment" to random at the start of each game. In the last game I started the Torians were neutral, and were total machines when it came to tech and expansion. I *was* winning a war against them, until they developed dreadnoughts out of nowhere. (Actually, I think they forced the evil Altairians into a peace treaty and took dreadnought tech.) :sniff!:
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The Arceans are always the ones that come to me first, most frequently, and for the largest amounts of protection money. They're also the most likely to meet me in secret to talk about whoever is in the top power spot behind their backs. Sometimes talking about more than one race in the same game.

The Altarians almost always form an aliance with the Torians, and are either on my side or having such starting problems that they're practically a minor race.

The Drengin will leave me alone once I wack them on the nose with a paper or lay into one of the other major races in such a way that demonstrates that my low military score is deceptive. In fact, I'm usually on at least good terms with them even when I'm more holier than thou than the Altarians, but that's because they're pragmatic about picking the winning side.

The Yor have never been in a position to cause trouble with me, and tend to be the first to go.

Me, I just want to build my trade empire and be left alone to research and or dominate by culture.
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Popup, that's pretty much the way I play too.
Chrot, yeah, if you're Good the Altarians will be your buddy...and a particularly effective one.

Me I'm an opportunist. If given a choice where being good only costs me 51 BC and being bad only nets me a +3 production bonus...hey I'm good all the way. But if being good costs me 800 BC and being bad gets me a +35% Production boost...well...Send 'em to the mines boys!

Meaning my score tends to range between 30 and 60. Below 40 the Altarians start becoming assholes.

Honestly, as evil as the Drengin are supposed to be (eating flesh and death mines etc.) they're the best race to deal with. As long I've had a position of some strength they've never bothered me.