While I do not advocate the killing of the stupid I do have a thoery I call "The Evolution of Stupid." Basically thousands of years ago there were many more things that could kill a person and usually the stupid ones died first. Allowing the intelligent to breed and advance the species. However as our technology advanced humans no longer succumbed to as many causes. Eventually we started developing technology and laws that protect the stupid from themselves. Invariably one stupid finds another and then they breed thus creating a new evolutionary level of stupid. As we continue to save the stupid from themselves and they continue to breed with each other we are constantly seeing new heights of stupid.

Not to bring up the old religious debate but this is precisely why the idea of eternally burning in hell as the Protestants claim is completely 100% crazy and just plain insane.

You guys are clearly very sick and disgusted about the prospect of a baby being melted in a microwave oven like you would microwave a hot dog. You can't even imagine seeing something like this in real life, and most of us would want to just burry this woman in the ground alive without wasting time killing her first.

Then consider that what this woman did to her baby was infintely "nicer" then what God supposedly would do to us in Hell.

The same christians who would be utterly disgusted by this woman are the same that preach God as a complete and total abomination who would roast us eternally.

As they say in the wow forums..... /discuss.

Oh and by the way.... our generation isn't worse.

In Nazi Germany there used to be blizzards. Blizzards of human ash.

The 1920 gang mobsters would put LA gangs to shame. They used their Tommy guns to slaughter famlies just to make money and keep us drunk.

Many African Americans were hung, beat, enslaved, etc. because their skin was dark. Like totaly freaked out and ignorant pussies, we just couldn't handle someone with different skin color I guess.

If you lived in the 1700s, you wouldn't think Pirates were cool or something to dress little Timmy up as for Halloween. They would capture merchant ships, steal everything, kill everyone, and drag woman aboard to rape over and over again. A Pirate's life for me indeed. Maybe 200 years from now, we will honor child molesters by dressing up little Timmy as a pervert.

ROFL. Sad thing is... I think you are right.

If it makes you feel better, they don't melt. It's been described to me as more of a giant red sunburn with blisters (atleast in appearance)


Its very true that humanity has not been very kind to itself over the years.

One interesting consistency in history that can even be observed in this topic is how easily we segregate ourselves into a "worthy" and "unworthy" groups, effectively de-humanizing others, giving us a target and an excuse for hatred and violence:









Of course, no one here would classify themselves or thier other peers here as "stuip" (aka the "unworthy"). It's other people, that we don't know, that we can blame, etc.

Granted, what this woman did is inexusable, and I hope she is found guilty, I just wouldn't wish death on any group of people based on an arbitrary classification of "stupid." To me that is almost as ignorant as the people as the people you all are seeking to differentiate yourself from.

Well, I don't know about you guys but I would still breed with hot stupid females. I don't really care to be honest LOL!

I think you many of you fail to realize that the survival drives in order are
Food
Water
Sex

Then social kicks in somewhere or as you guys would say intelligence. I think the smart cave men and women protected their mates that may not have been as intelligent as they were for for the 3rd survival drive. Breeding is an evolutionary instinct that surpasses intelligence. While we try to be monogomous instinct tells us to breed with more partners than just one.

It most cases 3 people are going to benefit society more than 1 intelligent person. It is like in the 70's (before my time) when scientists said we were not going to have enough food to feed the growing population. The morons didn't account for the growing population producing more. If you truly think our society is becoming less educated than I think you need to look again. Less moral values I would agree with. Public schools concentrate too much on academics. Students should be required to take philosophy, a blend of all major religions, what they stand for, what moral values they have and why.

Bush!

First off what people here are forgetting is that intelligence is a sexually selective trait, both directly and indirectly. Guys may want to have sex with anyone with a nice set of boobs, but who would you want to marry? If given the choice between the attractive woman who is stupid or the attractive women who is smart? Would you really want to be stuck with some dumb bimbo for the rest of your life if you could have chosen a smarter mate instead who is just as attractive?

This goes doubly true for woman looking for men. Go ahead a find me a woman who doesn't consider intelligence as positive attribute she will look for in a mate, even if she isn't very bright herself. This is not including the secondary benefits of sexual selection, namely in money, power and influence that such intelligence often creates.


Secondly, people today have a society that encourages better moral values than the past. Humanity will always have a part of their nature that allows them to turn on their fellow man under certain circumstances, but society has gone along way to prevent this from being accepted practice. Mothers will be killing babies and people in general killing each other on a small scale for as long as humanity exists in it's current genetic form, in a long view of things it really doesn't matter as long as such behavior is recognized as deviant and properly punished.

The real issue at the heart of matter that has nothing to do with burning babies is how technology plays into all of this. Up till now most individuals on the planet could only kill so many people before they were stopped. They would pass on and their names would be cursed and life would continue on as normal.

But what happens when society gives an individual disproportional amount of power to destroy the lives of other? The problem is the scale of our destructive powers is starting to vastly exceed the scale of the checks on abuse of such power. The epitome of this is the nuclear weapon, but there will be others technologies that will appear with similar scale or even bigger scale of destruction in the future. This is made worse by the fact that media allows the public to worked into a war frenzy. Being on a war path might have made sense for small hunter-gather tribes who faced possible extinction if their group wasn't mobilized to defend itself, but makes no sense on the scale war is carried out today.

I think as a whole we will always be creative and smart enough to continue to advance in technology and science. Think of us as ants working together to create something bigger than any individual could imagine. It's how many amazing advancements were brought to life, by the collective intelligence working together to act as a sort of super-intelligence, regardless of how smart or stupid we maybe individually. However, the inherent collective malevolence of society may be the destruction of society under the right circumstances, and given enough time I don't see how the right circumstances can't eventually happen to destroy all of us.

I only hope humanity has an opportunity to colonize outside the solar system before we finally decide to destroy ourself in a fit of misplaced genetic programming.

Tod;

You have some very good points. I would make one caveat about sexual selection though. While people do look for intelligent permanent mates as you state, people do have sex with eachother based solely on physical attraction. Marriage isn't permanent in this society nor is it a requisite for children. The majority of people I run into the course of my workday are not married and have children, mostly by accident.

While looking for a marriage or life partner, you are totally correct, but people do have flings, one night stands, etc etc. In many cases people aren't looking for a mate, just pleasure.

Then a Kid pops out. (although, for some, that doesn't stop them nor cause them to change their lifestyle or behavior)

And then They voted

To the one who mentioned Social Security in a negative way:

Sir, you have slapped me in the face.

I have Congestive Heart Failure, which is a permanent disability.

I have had Sextuple Coronary Artery Bypass (Open Heart Surgery). (Massive Myocardial Infarction on first Saturday of November, 2001.)

Two thirds of left great toe amputated due to Dry Gangrene (from being Diabetic).

I get Social Security Disability Insurance, Medicare A, B, and D, Medicaid (due to income level) and yes, Food Stamps (due to income level).

I have done real work in my life, and am legitimately disabled under the law. I even have Professional credenials from the Gemological Institute of America.

It irks us no end when someone says or implies that we are merely Lazy, and places us in the same group as street bums and drug addicts.

True, in the end dumb people still have children. I'm just countering the claim that because the natural selection pressure might be reduced in modern society (which isn't even something that's even been proven btw), that the population mental abilities would necessarily devolve over time. In fact it seems likely that the initial evolution of intelligence in the first place may have had as much to do with sexual selection as it did selection pressures from risk of death.



There is usually some sort of reverse casualties at play in alot of peoples mind about people who are down on their luck or somehow require assistance. It's somehow assumed that because they have 'made it' in some fashion, that for anyone who needs assistance it is somehow their fault. It is actually pretty easy to group people like you and blame you for all your problems.

I'm not saying that alot of people actually don't have a hand in their own problems. Most people could have made some other choice at some point in their life that could have changed their fate for the better (unless your talking about something like cancer when you don't smoke). However, people will always ignore societies responsibility for that individuals fate as well, which is often bigger than the possible wrong choices that individual may have made.

The fact is that the people at the top (especially in the US) don't give a flying fark about any of us, wish us to keep fighting and labeling each other while they get rich off of our efforts. If you're not in top percentile of society, you don't really count. So please, don't vote, it's not like the people in power really care what you think anyway. Just be a dumb consumer, buy whatever they tell you to buy and go home to your isolated lives. Don't talk to anyone different than you, they are all in a category that is less than human. Go play some game and don't ever believe any injustice is ever done in your name.

Moral values? Laws? Those are for poor people. Don't ever wonder why the US locks up far more people in prison than a country with an abominable human rights record like China. Rights? Those are for corporations, not for people. Corporation have the right to plunder and exploit any available resources and will be backed up by law, while not being held accountable to the same laws. People's right on the other hand seem far more mutable and dependent on the mood of the executive branch.

Religion? That's a tool of whoever is in power. What a better way for those with power to filter down their 'moral values' than by way of the religious institutions which they support and build. So please don't think about religion, all the thought has already done for you and regurgitated answers are already there for you digestion. For that matter, don't bother reading period. There are so many more vapid forms of entertainment out there for you to buy which require less thought on your part, most with the hidden message that you can only be cool if you buy our product. Why think at all when all the thought has already been premanufactured for you.

Go ahead, hate your neighbor. Don't think, isolate yourself and get fat off of crap that they mass manufacture. Be the dumb sheep consumer that doesn't vote while they plunder the world's resources. Corporate America thanks you for your ignorance.



Oh yeah, and blame scientists on all our problems, what have they ever done but improve the quality of most of our lives and allow for such a burgeoning population to exist in the first place? It's not like technology behind farming has improved time, it must have been that there just weren't enough farmers in the first place and now with more people we can farm more. Never mind the fact that there are now less people farming the soil than there were 30 years ago.

For that matter, continue to believe that a planet with finite resources can support an infinitely growing population. The Malthusian catastrophe can always be prevented because of someone born in Sudan who may have never seen a working telephone. It's not like ecosystems are constantly being destroyed, and a massive number of extinctions aren't going on right now, while global warming also goes unchecked. Everything is hunky dory on planet earth thanks to human initiative, and soon an infinite population will be realized. Please, keep buying that line and never believe anything like the Tragedy of the Commons would ever occur. Again, corporate America thanks you for your ignorance.

Space traveling ist a soveable scientific problem while pure stupity is not.

Just like Albet Einstein once said, "There are only two thing that are infinite: The Universe and human stupity, while i am not so sure about the universe."

Very true. I think I was hinitng at a larger scale problem or future problem. Yeah, we can go to the moon or mars or where ever and colonize one day. That is scientific and solveable.

But what will we bring with us? You don't think the first 30, 50, 100 years on the moon will be easy? Someone will bring crack with them to the moon. Someone will get "cabin fever" and go postal and axe thier family. Someone will throw an unwanted baby out the airlock. Anywhere we go in the universe, we're gonna bring our societies problems with us.

We kinda picture it with rose colored glasses. Little bubbles filed with happy people, working hard and getting along. And why not dream of that? Who doesn't want to live in a society where things go right? A world with out drug dealers/addicts, gangs, etc; that doesn't seem so bad.

So what are you gonna do to make it happen?

Sigh, It sounds like the vast majority of ya'll are quiet young. You know all systems created by humans are not perfect because we are not perfect. This is not a rant against change. But those that change things to fix an immediate problem tend to cause problems down the line. Look at our electoral congress, does the popular vote have anything to do with it... not much. There are other.

As for drug addiction and pushers and addicts. Well I know of one "happy" place that actually got rid of them for a time. Post revolutionary China, they put all the opium addicts and other drug users and pushers against the wall and shot them. Those that dissagred with them they shot too. I guess that may be the type of world those code pink wakkos in Berkely Cal want. Not me.

Funny those rough men in the marine corp waiting to do harm on there behalf allow them to sleep well at night.

And yes we have alot of governmental evilness in out nation, its imperfect and going to happen. And it will get worse and worse as we allow more and more of our freedoms to be taken by the governement because we wont exercise them for ourselves. We complain about criminals yet we wont or make it illegal to protect ourselves on our own streets Historically an armed society is a polite society. We end up with places like Waco when we dont take action locally.

Do you donate money to your public school or time or do you let the government do it for you. Theres a book out by R.A.H and Charles de Lint or Sprauge deCamp (I forget) about how to take back your local government. If you young and want to change the world read it then act.

If you dont like corporate american make your own company and produce something and treat your employees how you feel they should be treated. Do something dont complain.

Duh

If you want to change something about presidential elections, don't start with the electoral college, start with the primary elections. It's ****ing stupid that only the first handful of states get any sort of choice, and now the other 45 states only have a choice between Obama and Clinton (not that I'm a member of either party, that's just the example that springs to mind).

For the drug trade, why don't we use the model we already have, the one we already know works (well enough, anyway)? During prohibition we had EXACTLY the same problems with bootleggers that we now have with drug dealers, and guess what? Legalizing their product stopped the violence. It didn't end the abuse of the product, but the user end of the trade is not the part that causes crime. It's the enormous amounts of cash chasing a restricted supply that causes turf wars, etc. And it the case of meth, it would end the lab explosions, because competent people would be making it.

From your tagline, the book you're referring to was by Heinlein. "An armed society is a polite society" is one of his most famous quotes, but it's complete bullshit. An armed society is a paranoid, vigilante-oriented society, where most justice is handed out by an outraged family member or a lynch mob. And if it's all the same to you, I'd prefer NOT to be shot by some college freshman because she thinks I'm stalking her, when in reality we just happen to be parked near each other. That's part of the reason I dislike the fact that my state doesn't allow non-lethal weapons to be carried. A misguided tazing or macing is far more survivable.

Honestly, how many people at Berkeley wish to outlaw drugs? Since when is it Code Pinks stand that we need tougher drug stand? Last time I checked, California has some of the most lenient drug laws in the country, despite the fact that they tend not to be pro-military. For that matter, see what type of punishment you get for doing drugs in the military.

Democracy can often have an imperialistic nature, and often Democracies have been the head of empire of subjects who they never treat as equals to their native citizens. However, this doesn't have to be the case, and the same vigor which a democracy can be mobilized for war can be used instead for a large number of social projects to improve the lives of everyone. War makes sense in certain circumstances of self-defense, but is more used as a blind grab at power and/or money such as last war in Iraq has obviously been. I personally don't sleep well knowing that rough men are doing violence in my name but without the approval of anything even close to a majority of my countrymen. And I indeed was one of these 'rough men', and felt no better doing violence on behalf of an isolated president back then either.



Historically it really doesn't matter one way or another, there tends to be little correlation between violence and gun control, it's just a wedge issue used to pit group A against group B for little gains either way. Dictatorial countries will probably clamp down on weapons if they feel they are a threat to the government, but a majority of countries that clamp down on weapons aren't necessarily dictatorial. I'm also not too sure how local action could have prevented Waco either.



Which means that such a corporation would be operating under two disadvantages. One is that most people here don't have the resources to compete with large corporations that can even afford to lose money on a venture just to put you out of business (I've seen such a strategy used against others I know). Most importantly, you're also putting yourself at a serious disadvantage by not exploiting others around you. By blithely stating that you can just make an honest corporation is ignoring the fact that the very system by which corporations operate insure that they lack any moral values and will do anything to make a quick profit. Anything they can do to 'externalize' costs they will do, and if you do otherwise, you're setting yourself up to fail by not being as competitive as you should be.

I agree with you that we should do something, but unless you've stumbled upon a rare non-exploited niche, chances are you won't be able to compete. And even if you do find an untapped niche, expect bigger corporations to quickly take notice and either outcompete against you or buy you out, which they can do easily with their lack of moral guidelines and huge amount of resources available to them. Corporations need to be put under control, but that is only going to happen if we the people regain control of the political process from those with money who ultimately decide the laws.


Anyway, there is plenty of reasons why starting a corporation won't work. There is no reason not to get involved in government at some level. At the very minimum one can do is to go out and vote, which is why it irritates me to no end when people say they won't vote because idiots vote. It's particularly ironic because the word idiot is derived from the Greeks, and really refered to people who refused to take part in the democratic process. So by the original definition, if you don't even vote, you are an idiot.

These are both incorrect. Have you all ever been to an inner city?

First, We do not have the same problems with bootleggers that we have with drugdealers. The appear similar prima facia, but infact are very different. Crack is more addicting than alcohol. You can't exactly do it in moderation. While major violence can be attributed to dopers as it was to bootlegger, the majority of crime and violence (including very brutal crime) is actutally attributed to thier clientelle. I watched a confession of a guy who stabbed his mom to death to get money to buy a 20 rock. I know a a guy who got a large inherintence (6 figures). Within 5 years he smoked it up. Every prostitute I talk to has a crack addiction. You can actually look at stats on a map for thefts, CD's Robberies, and BE's, and make very accurate guesses as to where dope houses are, as its the clientelle that need the money/goods so they can get a fix.

You'll get jumped, robbed and beaten when you walk down the street at night, not by drug dealers, but by crack heads who want your money and credit cards to trade in for drugs.

The big difference between alcohol crime of the 20's and modern drug crime, is the power of the drug compared to alcohol on the user.

Secondly, an armed society is nothing more than an armed society. The presence of weapons in a society does not make it more/less violent. It is the attitude of the populace towards weapons and civil order that make the difference. If the general attitude of the people is "We'll take care of our own problems our own way", you'll have a more violent society as people will be more inclined to take the "law" into their own hands, hence more violence.
If the general attituted is to differ to a higher power (court, police, etc), you tend to have a less violent populace as the people will settle thier differences through "official" channels as opposed to with knives and guns on the street.