Boy does this baby know how to crash!

Wait, crashes in the technology researched screen? Which race, and which tech caused the crash?

And what about the other crash, when you were about to win?

Crashes in a beta, gee never thought that would ever happen.

C'mon please provide a bit more info on your problems so they can be addressed by the Devs. That is the whole point of the beta, to eradicate these issues.



Now c'mon you don't really believe that is the case do you?

how about your debug.err
5$ says you have a dated driver...

well I have been playing all day for the last 2 . I use quick save allot. It froze once as human when I acquired a tech which slips my mind at the moment. As to the AI knowing I'm winning and crashing it happens when I'm in a large map, I'm using 3 opponents. No minor races as they give very high end techs to my opponents. And I have em by the short hairs! Once again quick save allot. Today I was having graphic weirdness with the screen seeming to simulate 4 bit color which I have to alt tab and exit to get out of it. Running the most current nvidea beta driver. Maybe its the sli acting up. Love the beta. I'll see it out. Stay tunned.

I get random crashes just about everywhere too. Usually before or after an invasion. The crashes seem to happen more frequently if I am playing a game that I saved before I won. I often save the game about 5 turns before winning, so I can go back and try different things. I've also heard that loading a saved game of the game you are playing (while you are playing) can corrupt the save. Its supposed to be fixed, but when I do this, the crashes seem to happen more often.

The invasion crashes have already been fixed for the next release. If you have any other crashes, it's most helpful if you get SmartException reports for them (see the making beta reports sticky) and send them in.

Its crashing consistently now.Heres the debug


Debug Message: Version v1.5 last updated on: Thu Jan 11 13:39:19 2007
Debug Message: GalCiv2 is activated.
Debug Message: Checking DX Version.
Debug Message: *********DXDiag info follows.*********
System Info
Time: 12/22/2007, 19:01:09
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Machine Name: DAVES
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Languages: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs)
Physical Memory: 3326MB RAM
Page File: 778MB used, 4431MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS


Display Info
Display device 1:
Device Name: \\.\DISPLAY1
Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip Type: GeForce 8800 GTS
DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC
Key Device: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0193&SUBSYS_042110DE&REV_A2
Display Memory: 640.0 MB
Current Display Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Resolution: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6921
Driver Date: 12/5/2007 01:41:00
DirectX Acceleration Enabled: Yes



Sound info
Sound device 1:
Description: Realtek HD Audio output
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0883&SUBSYS_10438249&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5324
Driver Date: 11/15/2006 01:34:40
Type: WDM
Other Drivers:
Acceleration Level: 3
Cap Flags: 0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0



Debug Message: *********END dxdiag info.*********
Debug Message: Entering WinMain
Debug Message: ******* Starting Game Shell *******
Debug Message: Going Fullscreen
Debug Message: Preparing to change display settings.
Debug Message: Using multilsample setting: D3DMULTISAMPLE_8_SAMPLES
Debug Message: Game Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Debug Message: Running fullscreen.
Debug Message: HAL (hw vp): NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Debug Message: D3DPRESENT_INTERVAL_DEFAULT
Debug Message: Refresh rate: 60
Debug Message: Bit Depth: 32 bit.
Debug Message: *********Checking D3DDevice Caps***********************
Debug Message: A full-color cursor is supported in hardware at high resolution modes.
Debug Message: RGB in format 6:6:6, Masks reported as ff0000:ff00:ff
Debug Message: Now Fullscreen
Debug Message: Shell initialization complete
Debug Message: ***** Initializing Game *****
Debug Message: Timer Frequency is 0 369e99
Debug Message: Initializing sound card.
Debug Message: initailizing bink
Debug Message: Create setup screens.
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Set mouse.
Debug Message: Set update timer.
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.xml
Debug Message: No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.shipcfg
Debug Message: Reading Star Names
Debug Message: Reading Star Names... Done
Debug Message: TitleWnd: Quit Button.
Debug Message: Posting WM_CLOSE message.
Debug Message: WM_CLOSE message received.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize start
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy
Debug Message: Killing threads.
Debug Message: Kiling civs.
Debug Message: Killing ships.
Debug Message: Killing rallypoints.
Debug Message: Killing misc objects.
Debug Message: Killing stars.
Debug Message: Killing anomalies.
Debug Message: Killing space resources.
Debug Message: Killing colonies and planets.
Debug Message: killing scenario.
Debug Message: Clearing Turn Event Log
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
Debug Message: Clear influence.
Debug Message: Clear up laws.
Debug Message: Clear first time events.
Debug Message: Clear wonders and trade goods.
Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: Killing Galaxy: Completed
Debug Message: Shutting down sound system.
Debug Message: Clearing sound and music handles.
Debug Message: GameUninitialize end
Debug Message: Device not cleared. 1 counts left.
Debug Message: D3D not cleared. 1 counts left.
Debug Message: Destroying Window.
Debug Message: Main Shell terminating normally



tried to find these files but no luck
No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.xml
No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\*.shipcfg

autosave set to 1 now.

That debug shows a normal exit. The no files found message is also normal.

I'm getting crashes constantly too in this beta, but I've sent in my smartexception and debug.errs each time.

I hope you guys are doing that.

Ya, make sure you guys send in your smart exception. I get a lot of random crashes when I hit the turn button. Sometimes I can reload and keep playing. Sometimes I get to a specific turn and no matter how often I reload it always crashes during that same turn. Those are the games I send my smart exception in and then later they tell me to send in my saved game for testing.

I am a computer technician and I kid you not in the last month since I started playing my Twilight of the Arnor beta, twice the game froze up completely, couldn't hit ctrl alt del, or hold down my power button on my computer to turn it off. Once I unplugged it from the back it never came back on.

I truly believe this game fried my 350 watt power supply twice somehow. In the 10 years I've been fixing computers I have never seen that hehehe. It is a beta and I am still playing. Although if I didn't have a warranty on my power supply I probably wouldn't play any more LOL.

The game can not be at fault if you are frying power supplies.

As a tech, you should know that.

Yeah... sounds like you're using underpowered PSUs, or need to pick a more reliable brand.

Hey bigpopa, I'd be very suspicious of the power supply, 350 Watts isn't all that much these days, especially with higher powered graphics cards. I'd seriously consider replacing it with at least a 450W PSU (depending on what kind of graphics card and number of hard drives you've got).

I also have huge probs with latest beta : in fact my whole PC freezes after playing like hmmm ... 30 seconds !
With the previous version I could play 1 hour and get a freeze, now 30 seconds is ... well unplayable !
Surely there is some hardware problem with my system (that doesn't crash with DA though).
I have NO debug.err file created in TA dir so can't give any, and here is my DX diag report.

Please someone, help !

------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 1/9/2008, 22:49:34
Machine name: PDF-2400XP
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Language: French (Regional Setting: French)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
System Model: A7N8X2.0
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 465MB used, 1228MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINXP
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

------------
DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 6600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00F1&SUBSYS_2011107D&REV_A2
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: SyncMaster 911N/920N/920Nx,SyncMaster Magic CX918N
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 9/17/2007 01:07:00, 5783040 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 9/17/2007 01:07:00, 6853088 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-43B1-11CF-2E6B-1A0003C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x00F1
SubSys ID: 0x2011107D
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
Description: NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: NFORCE_VAD
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: nvapu.sys
Driver Version: 6.14.0462.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 4/13/2005 12:34:02, 414464 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: NVIDIA Corporation
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 200, 100000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Lecture sur modem n° 1 (émulé)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Type: Émulé
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
WHQL Logo'd:
Date and Size:
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

---------------------
Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: nvapu.sys
Driver Version: 6.14.0462.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 4/13/2005 12:34:02, 414464 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xCC0

Description: Enreg. sur modem n° 1 (émulé)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
Date and Size:
Cap Flags: 0x20
Format Flags: 0x0

-----------
DirectMusic
-----------
DLS Path: C:\WINXP\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Mappeur MIDI Microsoft [Émulé], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SynthÚ. SW table de sons GS Mic [Émulé], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
MPU-401 [Émulé], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
MPU-401 [Émulé], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

-------------------
DirectInput Devices
-------------------
Device Name: Souris
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Clavier
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

-----------
USB Devices
-----------
+ Concentrateur USB racine
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x0067
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 4736 bytes

----------------
Gameport Devices
----------------
+ Bus PCI
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0a03
| Service: pci
| Driver: pci.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 68608 bytes
|
+-+ Port jeu standard
| | Matching Device ID: *pnpb02f
| | Service: gameenum
| | Driver: gameenum.sys, 8/3/2004 23:08:22, 10624 bytes

------------
PS/2 Devices
------------
+ Clavier standard 101/102 touches ou clavier Microsoft Natural Keyboard PS/2
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 54400 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 25216 bytes
|
+ Pilote clavier de Terminal Server
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 00:55:12, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 25216 bytes
|
+ Souris compatible PS/2
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 54400 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 23680 bytes
|
+ Pilote souris de Terminal Server
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 00:55:12, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/5/2004 12:00:00, 23680 bytes

----------------------------
DirectPlay Service Providers
----------------------------
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

-------------------
DirectPlay Adapters
-------------------
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider: SoftV90 Data Fax Voice Modem
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM2
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM3
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Connexion au réseau local - IPv4 -

-----------------------
DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1,4 Kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6,4 Kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3,2 Kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

-------------------------
DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
-------------------------
Age of Wonders Shadow Magic (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: AoWSM.exe (1.30.0000.2616) LauncherFile: AoWSM.exe (1.30.0000.2616)
Close Combat Cross of Iron (DX7) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: CC3.Exe (

I have noticed that the game locks up alot now. I'm pretty deep into my current game. Just seems that so much is going on that the game just likes to lock up on you. I'm also in a big war between me. (yor) and the korath. Its pretty much unplayable or something. Oh most seems like a Memory Leak of some sort.

Too bad because It would of been an epic battle.

The wattage of a power supply isnt as important as the amps on particular rails. I believe graphics cards utilize the 12v rail. 350 would probably be sufficient with a strong 12v rail, assuming he isnt running a dozen hard drives as well.

It may not be the game but like I said I have never had any trouble before I started playing and seeing how it did the same thing twice it seems way too coincidental. I don't see how its possible the game caused this either.

My professional opinion is that the game is running on my pentium 4 1.8 Ghz processor to the max on my computer which somehow is overloading my power supply. I have a weak 256mb geforce 5200 fx graphics card which doesn't even require a power plug into it. Only 640mb of memory. Its plugged into a good surge protector. And ya, its an old computer and maybe the motherboard can't control the watts any more but you think the board or processor would fry first.

I am just saying it seems so weird that having this computer for years and all of sudden I am shooting through power supplys when I start to play Twilight of the Arnor.

Could also be that the first one had just happened to finally give out, and the one you replaced it with was simply defective.